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  #3058158 3-Apr-2023 11:50
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floydbloke:

 

 

 

I'm not convinced a change based on superstition is going to solve dysfunctional, mismanaged organisations.

 

 

 

 

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Geektastic:
Handsomedan:

 


Yup - my RAV4 has similar headlights and they are BRIGHT! They're also at just the wrong height for smaller cars in terms of where the light is focused. 

 

 

 

They look like this: 
2022 Toyota RAV4 facelift – The new RAV4 SE Hybrid AWD - YouTube

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great for driving along a deserted highway - ridiculously bright and distracting on a suburban road. 

 



Don’t they have a system to prevent oncoming drivers being dazzled?

My Mercedes has lights made of many many LEDs in an array and the system literally shuts off individual ones to create a dynamic dark hole that the oncoming traffic is in whilst retaining full illumination on much of the rest.

It’s great to drive with, I have to say. You just leave it on auto.

 

Yup, the model up from mine has those. One owner I know of says they are so unbelievably good they're like witchcraft. I wish they were able to be retro fitted. They're are also eye wateringly expensive to replace.

 

Some of the projection style headlamps on utes and SUV are a menace. Even on low beam they produce a beam that is a real problem for driver in a sedan especially when they are following behind.





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  #3058237 3-Apr-2023 13:22
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User: I can't get this to work.
Me: It's because of X, but I've changed it so it'll work now.
User: Cool, thanks alot!

 

I go to the effort of fixing it, and who does she thank? An alot.


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  #3058409 3-Apr-2023 13:48
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floydbloke:

 

MikeB4:

 

Another Cook Strait Ferry failure. Maybe time to remove the cursed name 'Cook' Change back to Raukawa Moana

 

 

I'm not convinced a change based on superstition is going to solve dysfunctional, mismanaged organisations.

 

 

A wholly new solution is need for crossing Cook Strait.  Billions have been invested over the years privately and publicly.  But still, the current solution is expensive and unreliable.

 

The case for a tunnel needs evaluation. I have read of deeper tunnels that exist in earthquake prone locations.  This would cost billions of course. 

 

The ferry service already costs billions per year in wasted time when functioning correctly and much more when the frequent disruptions are taken into account.

 

The opportunity might also be taken at the same time to re-route the Cook Strait Cables (power and data) through a tunnel, making it better protected and more accessible for repairs or maintenance.





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  #3058412 3-Apr-2023 13:57
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MikeAqua:

 

A wholly new solution is need for crossing Cook Strait.  Billions have been invested over the years privately and publicly.  But still, the current solution is expensive and unreliable.

 

The case for a tunnel needs evaluation. I have read of deeper tunnels that exist in earthquake prone locations.  This would cost billions of course. 

 

The ferry service already costs billions per year in wasted time when functioning correctly and much more when the frequent disruptions are taken into account.

 

The opportunity might also be taken at the same time to re-route the Cook Strait Cables (power and data) through a tunnel, making it better protected and more accessible for repairs or maintenance.

 

 

NZ just doesn't have the population base to support the investment required given that our total population is less than many cities across the world, let alone country population.

 

Short of heavy borrowing, where would the funds come from?

 

I fully agree that a handful of boats slowly crossing the strip of water a couple of times a day is not great use of time or resources for getting between the islands but economically, we are kinda screwed on this one.





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  #3058418 3-Apr-2023 14:03
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Some quick Googling reports that 250000 cars make the crossing each year. Interislander seems to charge $223, and I expect that Bluebridge is about the same. If you make the tunnel a little cheaper at $200 per crossing then that works out to $1.5 billion over 30 years.

 

Would that cover the construction cost? No idea, but it's a start.


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  #3058420 3-Apr-2023 14:06
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MikeAqua:

 

 

 

A wholly new solution is need for crossing Cook Strait.  Billions have been invested over the years privately and publicly.  But still, the current solution is expensive and unreliable.

 

The case for a tunnel needs evaluation. I have read of deeper tunnels that exist in earthquake prone locations.  This would cost billions of course. 

 

The ferry service already costs billions per year in wasted time when functioning correctly and much more when the frequent disruptions are taken into account.

 

The opportunity might also be taken at the same time to re-route the Cook Strait Cables (power and data) through a tunnel, making it better protected and more accessible for repairs or maintenance.

 

 

The Hukurangi Trench runs adjacent to the Eastern side of the Strait. it is part of the Hikurangi Subduction zone and is capable of generating powerful earthquakes e.g 1885 8.2 magnitude that resulted in massive land movement onshore and offshore. Build a tunnel under the strait would be insanity.


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  #3058422 3-Apr-2023 14:06
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Behodar:

 

Some quick Googling reports that 250000 cars make the crossing each year. Interislander seems to charge $223, and I expect that Bluebridge is about the same. If you make the tunnel a little cheaper at $200 per crossing then that works out to $1.5 billion over 30 years.

 

Would that cover the construction cost? No idea, but it's a start.

 

 

Not even that. Not even a drop in the ocean!

 

 





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  #3058434 3-Apr-2023 14:18
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MikeB4:

 

The Hukurangi Trench runs adjacent to the Eastern side of the Strait. it is part of the Hikurangi Subduction zone and is capable of generating powerful earthquakes e.g 1885 8.2 magnitude that resulted in massive land movement onshore and offshore. Build a tunnel under the strait would be insanity.

 

 

Is a floating tunnel a theoretical possibility? 

 

 





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  #3058436 3-Apr-2023 14:21
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

Is a floating tunnel a theoretical possibility? 

 

 

 

 

The strait is subject to very high swells, large waves and strong currents. Ships are the best method they just need to stop buying second hand tubs


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  #3058442 3-Apr-2023 14:30
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Behodar:

User: I can't get this to work.
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I go to the effort of fixing it, and who does she thank? An alot.



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  #3058509 3-Apr-2023 15:10
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Behodar:

 

Some quick Googling reports that 250000 cars make the crossing each year. Interislander seems to charge $223, and I expect that Bluebridge is about the same. If you make the tunnel a little cheaper at $200 per crossing then that works out to $1.5 billion over 30 years.

 

Would that cover the construction cost? No idea, but it's a start.

 

 

No. The Japanese tunnel of similar distance was ~$11 Billion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel

 

You didn't include all the freight customers who would also be contributing to the cost, and traffic may increase once the trip becomes more reliable.

 

 

 

In the meantime, we could at least move the terminals closer to the shortest points and trim the journey to half the current time.

 

It's a nice journey, but yeah, got places to be !





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  #3058526 3-Apr-2023 16:16
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MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Is a floating tunnel a theoretical possibility? 

 

 

The strait is subject to very high swells, large waves and strong currents. Ships are the best method they just need to stop buying second hand tubs

 

 

A pontoon tunnel/bridge made by attaching bridge spans between/across the secondhand tubs. Have every other ship face in the opposite direction so that they can use their engines to maintain position against the wind and current. Even if only half the engines are working at any one time, there should be enough thrust to maintain position overall.

 

Or a pontoon bridge across spar buoys anchored to the ocean floor. Pretty much immune to even hurricane force weather.

 

 


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  #3058530 3-Apr-2023 16:30
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I am in no way an engineer but I was thinking of an underwater tunnel anchored at a suitable depth to the sea bed (so as not to obstruct shipping). Could be constructed on the ground with segments towed into place and sunk to desired depth, then connected up and water pumped out. A lot like a space station. Many billions but many billions less than drilling a tunnel.

 

 

 

 





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  #3058533 3-Apr-2023 16:36
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Behodar:

Some quick Googling reports that 250000 cars make the crossing each year. Interislander seems to charge $223, and I expect that Bluebridge is about the same. If you make the tunnel a little cheaper at $200 per crossing then that works out to $1.5 billion over 30 years.

 

Would that cover the construction cost?

 

 

It would cover the engineering study before you start construction.

 

 

Edited to add: The engineering study would probably conclude "You can't do this at any cost".

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