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  #3297901 15-Oct-2024 20:11
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geoffwnz:

 

I know I'm getting on in years having hit the half century this year, but at what point did it all switch from kids all walking to school to that not even being a considered option.

 

If I'd asked for a ride to or from school, at best I'd have been laughed at.  Broken arm?  Don't need that to walk.  Mild storm?  Are you going to melt?  😝

 

 

My eldest is intellectually handicapped, at Intermediate school he was expected to walk the 3.5km to my work every day.

 

One mother had a go at me asking what happens when it rains, I told her he won't melt, he will wear and raincoat and probably walk a little faster.

 

When he went to high school he walked about 5km home...

 

 


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  #3297931 16-Oct-2024 07:19
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neb:

 

I wonder whether it coincides with the transition from one car per family to 2, 3, or more cars per family?

 

 

Probably not far off. Think we got rid of tariffs in 1995 on imported cars. So all the manufacturers packed up in Nelson and left. And cars got cheaper and cheaper to buy. So nearly thirty years later we are probably close to a car per person. Whereas when I was a kid in the eighties we had one. 


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  #3298003 16-Oct-2024 11:14
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neb:

 

Having to listen to some soccer mom moaning about how hard it is to pick her precious darling up from outside the school every day, because most of the space is taken up by a large bus stop and the rest by all the other soccer moms who have driven there to pick up their precious darlings.  Gosh, if only there was some way to get them from the bus stop outside the school to the bus stop near their house.

 

 

Ahhh, the age old assumption that everyone's situation is just like mine, so if someone has a complaint they must be wrong. If buses work for you, that's great.

 

We have a bus stop outside our house. There is one outside my daughters school. But if she wants to take "public transport" it's two separate buses with the journey time of 90 minutes. If we drive its 20-25 minutes at most.

 

We had a teenager in the car the other day saying how they would never need to drive because public transport was so good. The had no awareness whatsoever we had driven 15 minutes to collect them because the train doesn't come to our door and there are no buses and their parents had done the same at the other end.


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  #3298046 16-Oct-2024 12:42
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martyyn: journey time of 90 minutes.

 

Our trip to school each day was 1 1/4 hours by bus, and there were kids on the same bus that lived a lot further out than we did.  People talked, read, or did homework (especially on the way in, typically in great haste).

 

The case I was referring to in my post was a primary school with everyone 5-10 minutes away, because anyone further out than that went to the next primary school along.  The example of car-choked streets that I posted some years ago, where Mother Neb lives, was a sleepy seaside town entirely bypassed by traffic (so easy, safe walking) where everyone was in easy walking distance from the school.

 

I'm not saying there aren't valid exceptions, but if it was only the valid exceptions then we wouldn't have this problem.


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  #3298103 16-Oct-2024 15:20
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350451111/watch-night-sting-catches-illegal-whitebaiters-act

 

 

 

This really annoys me. I hope they throw the library of books at them.

 

 


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  #3298115 16-Oct-2024 15:56
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neb:

I'm not saying there aren't valid exceptions, but if it was only the valid exceptions then we wouldn't have this problem.


Who defines validity? Do they have to be submitted for your personal approval or is there an agency for judging this?

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  #3298122 16-Oct-2024 16:15
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neb:

 

The case I was referring to in my post was a primary school with everyone 5-10 minutes away, because anyone further out than that went to the next primary school along. 

 

<snip>

 

I'm not saying there aren't valid exceptions, but if it was only the valid exceptions then we wouldn't have this problem.

 

 

IMO, you're making too many assumptions.

 

I hate the SUV/Ute's on the school run as much as anyone and if your argument was about someone having the view they should be able to park right outside instead of a bus, I'd be agreeing with you.

 

But you're assuming they only live 5 minutes away and you're assuming they are simply driving to and from school. What about those coming from work, or going to work after drop off, or to another activity before going home or the parent collecting 4 different kids to take them all home to different houses ?

 

 


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  #3298125 16-Oct-2024 16:19
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martyyn:

 

neb:

 

The case I was referring to in my post was a primary school with everyone 5-10 minutes away, because anyone further out than that went to the next primary school along. 

 

<snip>

 

I'm not saying there aren't valid exceptions, but if it was only the valid exceptions then we wouldn't have this problem.

 

 

IMO, you're making too many assumptions.

 

I hate the SUV/Ute's on the school run as much as anyone and if your argument was about someone having the view they should be able to park right outside instead of a bus, I'd be agreeing with you.

 

But you're assuming they only live 5 minutes away and you're assuming they are simply driving to and from school. What about those coming from work, or going to work after drop off, or to another activity before going home or the parent collecting 4 different kids to take them all home to different houses ?

 

 

Stop talking about real life. We all know none of those reasons will be accepted by the ministry of validity.


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  #3298126 16-Oct-2024 16:30
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geoffwnz:

 

I know I'm getting on in years having hit the half century this year, but at what point did it all switch from kids all walking to school to that not even being a considered option.

 

If I'd asked for a ride to or from school, at best I'd have been laughed at.  Broken arm?  Don't need that to walk.  Mild storm?  Are you going to melt?  😝

 

 

I get what you are saying, and I mostly agree.

 

However, roads are much busier than they were, motorists are far less considerate in my opinion, even in the last 5 years I have seen a noticeable difference. 

 

Density of population has increased, and along with it, a greater number of dangerous people. 

 

I'd let my kids ride on the road to school in Whangamata, but a cold day in hell on the roads in Auckland where the roads are more narrow, cars are typically moving much faster, and honestly, city drivers in my experience, are far less considerate of cyclists. I didn't have a $1000-2500 device in my bag walking to school each day (in our area of auckland, not a particularly crimey area, a couple of kids have had bags taken from them on the way home.

 

The margins for error are lower.


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  #3298139 16-Oct-2024 17:00
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Could said child not walk 5 minutes down the road and be picked up from there, thus alleviating the madness in front of the school?

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  #3298162 16-Oct-2024 17:55
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Ge0rge: Could said child not walk 5 minutes down the road and be picked up from there, thus alleviating the madness in front of the school?

 

It asthonishes me this isn't something more parents don't do. 

 

We didn't do it when our kids were very little (5-8) but after that, absolutely. 

 

 


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  #3298708 17-Oct-2024 20:48
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That none of the newly announced Amazon Kindles have buttons for page turning. 

 

My Oasis is starting to feel long in the tooth, and annoyingly was the only device purchased that year that didn't have USB-C. 

 

I'd much rather have buttons than colour. 

 

 


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  #3298761 17-Oct-2024 21:07
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Ge0rge: Could said child not walk 5 minutes down the road and be picked up from there, thus alleviating the madness in front of the school?

 

The school where Mother Neb lives enforces something like this by banning parking and pickup on the street the school is on, which is the single access road to the area meaning it'd be completely blocked if they didn't do this.  So all the kids walk down an access lane to a set of even smaller side streets where they get picked up, or at least wait in the car for the 15 cars ahead of them to finish waiting for the further cars that are ahead of them to move.  I walked past there once around 3pm on my way from the bus (the bus stop is just round the corner from the school) and couldn't believe the circus that went on.  Land agents must only show prospective buyers the area well outside of school hours.


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  #3298764 17-Oct-2024 21:14
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Politicians who commit crimes and then complain conviction for said Crime will impact them. 

 

 


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  #3298765 17-Oct-2024 21:16
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neb:

 

The school where Mother Neb lives enforces something like this by banning parking and pickup on the street the school is on

 

One near me is on a fairly busy road and it's the only way through the area. They do something similar (taken the picture from Maps so apologies for the quality):

 

 

"2 Min Max Zone: Please don't leave your car unattended"


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