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#2375522 14-Dec-2019 21:57

One of the people being treated for burns at Waikato Hospital has died, bringing the total number of deaths to 17.

There were 11 people listed as 'very critical', that will now be ten people. We can probably expect more to succumb to their injuries, including some who were repatriated to Aussie.

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#2375549 15-Dec-2019 07:22

I get the impression drone use is underdeveloped in S&R. Both in the technical sense and in the procedural and coordination sense. I heard of a pilot project for surf rescue somewhere in NZ. That said, human eyes in a helicopter filled with rescue gear have many advantages compared to the abilities of a drone and remote operator.

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#2375811 15-Dec-2019 13:19

The more I think on it, the inevitable outcome is that tourists will not be permitted on Whakaari again.

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#2375816 15-Dec-2019 13:39

dafman:

The more I think on it, the inevitable outcome is that tourists will not be permitted on Whakaari again.

Going by the theme of this head, unsure why. Its a risk. My own opinion is that its not risk managed correctly.

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#2375823 15-Dec-2019 13:49

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The more I think on it, the inevitable outcome is that tourists will not be permitted on Whakaari again.

I can see how you might think think that, it might be sometime, but I believe tourists will go back to White Island.

If they are to be banned from White Island then a similar ban should have been placed on the summit of Mt Ngarahoe and the crater lake of Mt Ruapehu. The eruptions on Mt Ruapehu in 1995 and 1996 were much bigger and could have just as easily resulted in death and injury. The 2007 Ruapehu eruption badly injured one person.

Are we also to close the Tongariro Crossing and the Ketetahi track? The 2012 eruption of Mt Tongariro caused major damage to the Ketetahi hut, luckily there was no one inside. There were fears of death and injury to people walking the nearby alpine tracks. A police search of the area showed that fortunately there were no injuries or deaths.

I don't see how White Island is materially any different to the Tongariro National Park. Getting access to the injured and dead will be just as difficult in either case.

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#2375840 15-Dec-2019 14:04

Technofreak:

I don't see how White Island is materially any different to the Tongariro National Park. Getting access to the injured and dead will be just as difficult in either case.

There is literally no shelter at White Island and it's 48km offshore. Let me know when I can catch a train to White Island or stay overnight on its slopes in a huge hotel and then it will be a like-for-like situation.

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#2375844 15-Dec-2019 14:21

GV27:

Technofreak:

I don't see how White Island is materially any different to the Tongariro National Park. Getting access to the injured and dead will be just as difficult in either case.

There is literally no shelter at White Island and it's 48km offshore. Let me know when I can catch a train to White Island or stay overnight on its slopes in a huge hotel and then it will be a like-for-like situation.

I'm not talking about rescuing people sipping lattes on the deck at the Grand Chateau.

I'm talking about skiers and trampers on the slopes of the three volcanoes in the Tongariro National park. People trapped and injured at the Mt Ruapehu and Mt Ngarahoe summits or on the Tongairo Crosssing might as well be on White Island when it comes time to making any rescue. There will be very little difference beween either place as far as access and shelter goes. The nearest rescue helicopter is 60 km away from the middle of the Tongagriro National park

Train access or a huge hotel will not make one iota of difference. I don't see your point.

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#2375848 15-Dec-2019 14:50

By the numbers:

15 confirmed dead (number expected to rise).
2 still missing, probably in the sea around the island.
10 in NZ hospitals in very critical condition.
4 in NZ hospitals in serious condition.
13 flown back to Australia, none of whom have been reported to have died so far.
11 bodies formally identified so far, leaving 4 to still be identified.

I think this is correct at this point in time.

Stuff have an article with a helpful photo montage with the names and photos of those confirmed dead (11), and the names and photos of those still missing and/or unidentified (6) so that's a total of 17 people. So they have the bodies of four people still to be formally identified and two yet to be recovered. Thankfully there aren't too many left to go.

Police have confirmed the following people are deceased. From top left: Matthew Hollander, 13, and his brother Berend Hollander, 16; Gavin Dallow, 52; Anthony Langford, 51; Krystal Browitt, 21. From bottom left: Jessica Richards, 20, Julie Richards, 47; Tipene Maangi, 24; Hayden Marshall-Inman; Zoe Hosking, 15; Jason Griffiths, 33.

The Whakaari/White Island eruption victims still missing, presumed dead. From left: Winona Langford, 17 (top) and her mum Kristine Langford (bottom); Karla Mathews and Richard Elzer; Barbara and Martin Hollander. <p> </p><p> </p>WHITE ISLAND MISSING - UPDATED

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#2375851 15-Dec-2019 15:07

GV27: [snip] There is literally no shelter at White Island

There was one installed three years ago.

http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/media-centre/news/2016/20160810-nzdflestwi.htm

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#2375852 15-Dec-2019 15:08

Technofreak:

I don't see how White Island is materially any different to the Tongariro National Park. Getting access to the injured and dead will be just as difficult in either case.

The material difference is that Whakaari is New Zealand's most active volcano, as well as being our most deadly, and by a significant margin. It is also our most 'avoidable' volcano, being as it is isolated 48kms offshore.

However, even if tourism is not prohibited (and I think it inevitably will be), how many tourists will now be willing to step foot on the volcano?

In general, people have short memories, but I think this is different.

We were a group of 10 in 2012. Before the visit, we were required to sign a 'waiver' acknowledging the dangers of visiting a live volcano. Doing so made us a little nervous at the time but, as no tourist had ever suffered any injury that we knew of, we considered it an unpleasant formality of little consequence.

But now everything has changed.

In future, how many tourists will choose to travel out to an isolated volcano which, in recent history, killed, or severely maimed for life, nearly every single person on it, in an instant, without warning?

Of our 10, none.

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#2375854 15-Dec-2019 15:21

I’m not sure what has changed. The odds always favoured tourists but this time the odds caught up. If alert 2 was a no go this thread would not exist. Yes still a risk. As someone early on commented it’s a risk so no issue. But risk can be mitigated and it wasn’t. Alert 2 is a risk the next alert is 3 which is an eruption so on effect there was no alert

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#2375865 15-Dec-2019 15:48

dafman:

Technofreak:

I don't see how White Island is materially any different to the Tongariro National Park. Getting access to the injured and dead will be just as difficult in either case.

The material difference is that Whakaari is New Zealand's most active volcano, as well as being our most deadly, and by a significant margin. It is also our most 'avoidable' volcano, being as it is isolated 48kms offshore.

However, even if tourism is not prohibited (and I think it inevitably will be), how many tourists will now be willing to step foot on the volcano?

In general, people have short memories, but I think this is different.

We were a group of 10 in 2012. Before the visit, we were required to sign a 'waiver' acknowledging the dangers of visiting a live volcano. Doing so made us a little nervous at the time but, as no tourist had ever suffered any injury that we knew of, we considered it an unpleasant formality of little consequence.

But now everything has changed.

In future, how many tourists will choose to travel out to an isolated volcano which, in recent history, killed, or severely maimed for life, nearly every single person on it, in an instant, without warning?

Of our 10, none.

I think you'll find Mt Tarawera is more deadly than White Island.

You seemed to have missed my point, it was only good luck that there weren't deaths as a result of the eruptions on Mts Ruapehu, Ngauruhoe and Tongariro yet people still freely and happily wander around these volcanoes with nil or very few restrictions. I don't see how there can be restrictions on White Island if there are no restrtictions on these other volcanoes.

Sure the risk will be too high for some people to want to visit White Island and these people will stay away, perversly the increased risk will also attract other people.

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#2375866 15-Dec-2019 15:52

DarthKermit:

So they have the bodies of four people still to be formally identified and two yet to be recovered. Thankfully there aren't too many left to go.

Be aware, per usual it appears there has been NO formal release from the police around these numbers/names

It's even clarified in the story despite the montage (they admit they don't want to get families hopes up for the 6/8 only to potentially let any down)

Australian travellers, but police weren't able to confirm their identities. Police and the Coroner's office were working to identify the victims in Auckland.

Likely once again media trolling friends and family social media/twitter accounts and taking peoples word on it.

Unfortunately they have been doing it from the get go from the red cross page submissions to get pictures and any sort of word on who was missing from the start when the numbers weren't even confirmed ( so many early on were 'supplied/facebook')

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#2375885 15-Dec-2019 16:52

Acknowledged about the official confirmation and the lack thereof.

Just seen on Stuff that one of the 13 who went back to Australia has now died, bringing it up to 18 dead.

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#2375886 15-Dec-2019 16:54

Someones numbers are off.

16 if you listen to herald

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