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#573623 26-Jan-2012 14:25

I would be suspicious of a blanket sentence like that. There are safer levels of everything. In other words, even the most benign substance will be poisonous when intake levels go over a certain threshold.

Public water has safe levels of fluoride. I wonder if the supplements taken were not over the safe levels and caused lasting effects.

Basically fluoride in water is not bad, but over use is - like anything else.

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#573632 26-Jan-2012 14:44

the only difference between a medicine and a poison is dosage

apparantly the first rule of toxicology is "the dose makes the poison"

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#573655 26-Jan-2012 15:13

freitasm:Public water has safe levels of fluoride. I wonder if the supplements taken were not over the safe levels and caused lasting effects.

Basically fluoride in water is not bad, but over use is - like anything else.

If you are suspicious of my blanket statement...Should you not be worried about the blanket treatment being piped in to thousands of houses around New Zealand?

And how can you determine that the levels of fluoride in the water are safe, when you don't know how much water each individual drinks? What about people with an intolerance like me? We have to drink it until we learn its done permanent damage to our teeth, then change how we hydrate. What if I play sports all day and I drink 6 liters of water, compared to the usual 2 to 4 liters? I would be getting a much higher dose than anyone else, wouldn't I?

Why are we so stuck on keeping it in the water supply, when its been proven to lower IQ and screw with hormonal balances in the brain and body? Fluoride isn't an essential chemical we have to have in our body, so why force medicate the entire country with something we don't need that has been proven to cause extensive damage to the body in more places than just teeth.

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#573667 26-Jan-2012 15:34

It is my observation that even presented with irrefutable scientific evidence people will say it's a conspiracy and believe some pseudo science.

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#573671 26-Jan-2012 15:37

KiwiNZ: It is my observation that even presented with irrefutable scientific evidence people will say it's a conspiracy and believe some pseudo science.

You mean, like one of the organisations behind anti-fluoride is the... International Chiropractor's Association?

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#573676 26-Jan-2012 15:46

freitasm:
KiwiNZ: It is my observation that even presented with irrefutable scientific evidence people will say it's a conspiracy and believe some pseudo science.

You mean, like one of the organisations behind anti-fluoride is the... International Chiropractor's Association?

Now would I say that Chiropractry is Pseudo science

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#573849 26-Jan-2012 20:58

freitasm: Public water has safe levels of fluoride.

*face-palm*

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#573852 26-Jan-2012 21:10

freitasm: Fluorosis was caused by a possible excess of fluoride.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3wJjzrrhE&feature=player_embedded

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/fluoride-spill-at-water-facility-burns-through-parking-lot-cement/

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#573869 26-Jan-2012 21:58

Is that the same Fox News who got scammed by a story about Jetpacks?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/fox-news-lapd-jetpack-video_n_752130.html

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#573873 26-Jan-2012 22:10

sbiddle: Is that the same Fox News who got scammed by a story about Jetpacks?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/fox-news-lapd-jetpack-video_n_752130.html

Well it's the only media sheeple can understand.

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#573906 26-Jan-2012 23:49

KiwiNZ: Now would I say that Chiropractry is Pseudo science

So would a certain physio' I know ;) Actually I think lack of science is her criticism, apparently they don't do too many 'randomized controlled trials'.

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#574199 27-Jan-2012 18:13

cgrew: *snipped silly sheeple comment*

I often see this sort of thing resorted to when conspiracy theorists argue/debate with skeptics, critical thinkers and rationalists.

Usually it ends up as one of these three comments:

- Something about "sheeple"
- "You're close-minded"
- You're one of "them" and you're payed to troll and spread misinformation*

*this is the most common one I've had thrown at me.

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#574202 27-Jan-2012 18:24

BurningBeard:
cgrew: *snipped silly sheeple comment*

I often see this sort of thing resorted to when conspiracy theorists argue/debate with skeptics, critical thinkers and rationalists.

Usually it ends up as one of these three comments:

- Something about "sheeple"
- "You're close-minded"
- You're one of "them" and you're payed to troll and spread misinformation*

*this is the most common one I've had thrown at me.

There are in fact people out there who will blindly believe anything the TV tells them. These are the sheeple. I have not heard of the "close-minded" argument before. Denying that misinformation is spread by paid agencies is simply ignorant. This has happened in the past and I have no reason to believe that it stopped at any point.

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#574203 27-Jan-2012 18:29

codyc1515:There are in fact people out there who will blindly believe anything the TV tells them. These are the sheeple. I have not heard of the "close-minded" argument before. Denying that misinformation is spread by paid agencies is simply ignorant. This has happened in the past and I have no reason to believe that it stopped at any point.

There are also people who blindly believe anything that conspiracy websites tell them. Are these people not also 'sheeple'?

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#574204 27-Jan-2012 18:30

gzt:
codyc1515:There are in fact people out there who will blindly believe anything the TV tells them. These are the sheeple. I have not heard of the "close-minded" argument before. Denying that misinformation is spread by paid agencies is simply ignorant. This has happened in the past and I have no reason to believe that it stopped at any point.

There are also people who blindly believe anything that conspiracy websites tell them. Are these people not also 'sheeple'?

There are also disinformation spreading conspiracy websites. Indeed, anybody that believes them blindly = sheep.

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