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#1264842 22-Mar-2015 09:35

Geektastic: To be honest (and based on TV documentaries) the police appear to spend far too much time dealing with drunk cretins and offering them free lifts home instead of leaving them to choke in their own vomit as a result of their stupidity and dealing with actual crime.

So Dratsab gives you what seems to be a bit of good advice to help you get a good result, and you'd rather have a dig at the last part of his post than thank him for trying to help you out? Ouch.

And as above, a camera crew following a few police officers around carrying out one aspect of their job does not cover the entire role of police.

People often mistake me for an adult because of my age.

Keep calm, and carry on posting.

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#1264855 22-Mar-2015 10:08

i don't think he was taking a swipe at anyone, he said the police appear to be ... they do appear to be doing all sorts of stuff eg collect fines etc ... what they actually do - i don't think the general public will know.

same applies to any profession you name

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#1264900 22-Mar-2015 12:12

Stu:
Geektastic: To be honest (and based on TV documentaries) the police appear to spend far too much time dealing with drunk cretins and offering them free lifts home instead of leaving them to choke in their own vomit as a result of their stupidity and dealing with actual crime.

So Dratsab gives you what seems to be a bit of good advice to help you get a good result, and you'd rather have a dig at the last part of his post than thank him for trying to help you out? Ouch.

And as above, a camera crew following a few police officers around carrying out one aspect of their job does not cover the entire role of police.

The only 'person' I was swiping at was the Police, who IMV waste too much time on doing things that fall under the purview of social workers or (if we had them) police support officers. Giving drunken idiots free rides home does not appear to be good value for money use of sworn officers to me, when there are actual crimes going on that need dealing with.

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#1264901 22-Mar-2015 12:19

Jase2985: so you base what the thousands of police officers nation wide do, on what you see a few of them doing on police 10/7 and road cops?

you couldnt be more wrong

I presume that the Police manage the information concerning their activities which appears in Police 10 7 quite astutely to give whatever message they choose - that would be normal in return for them giving access to the TV crews etc.

I would say that on average, every Police 10-7 episode contains at minimum two instances of morons getting drunk and committing petty crime or getting free lifts home as if the police were a taxi service.

If my impression is incorrect, it is incorrect because that is the message the Police have put across.

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#1264903 22-Mar-2015 12:23

unless they actually catch people in the act, sworn beat officers generally cant do anything about whats happened. its up the forensics and the support team to process, and identify the whats and whos, then than info is passed back to the beat officers to find the perps.

those that are giving drunks rides home unless you want them standing next to your car all night cant do a lot about random crimes like you have experienced.

so please stop whinging about it as nothing is going to change the fact that it was a RANDOM event that no one could stop or prevent.

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#1264910 22-Mar-2015 12:25

Geektastic:
Stu:
Geektastic: To be honest (and based on TV documentaries) the police appear to spend far too much time dealing with drunk cretins and offering them free lifts home instead of leaving them to choke in their own vomit as a result of their stupidity and dealing with actual crime.

So Dratsab gives you what seems to be a bit of good advice to help you get a good result, and you'd rather have a dig at the last part of his post than thank him for trying to help you out? Ouch.

And as above, a camera crew following a few police officers around carrying out one aspect of their job does not cover the entire role of police.

The only 'person' I was swiping at was the Police, who IMV waste too much time on doing things that fall under the purview of social workers or (if we had them) police support officers. Giving drunken idiots free rides home does not appear to be good value for money use of sworn officers to me, when there are actual crimes going on that need dealing with.

I think you're confused. I did not say you were taking a swipe at a person or individual.

I did say you didn't thank an individual for trying to help you out with what seems like a very good suggestion.

I also said you took a swipe at that individuals comment on police not caring.

People often mistake me for an adult because of my age.

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#1264928 22-Mar-2015 12:37

PS geektastic, i have had 1 car stolen, 1 car broken into, and my house broken in to. Both cars were alarmed, and my house has a monitored alarm.

I know what you are going through, and i also have 2 good friends who are police officers, and constantly hear stories about people having stuff stolen and what happens afterwards

if the offenders are at the scene its a priority, if not it gets put on a list to be processed.

Those are the people we need more of to minimise delay in processing crimes.

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#1265019 22-Mar-2015 14:18

Jase2985: unless they actually catch people in the act, sworn beat officers generally cant do anything about whats happened. its up the forensics and the support team to process, and identify the whats and whos, then than info is passed back to the beat officers to find the perps.

those that are giving drunks rides home unless you want them standing next to your car all night cant do a lot about random crimes like you have experienced.

so please stop whinging about it as nothing is going to change the fact that it was a RANDOM event that no one could stop or prevent.

Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Many of the trials you read about in the paper have sentences that are as much a deterrent as the judge saying "I'm going to write a stiff note to your mother, young man."

On the other hand, if they were caught, locked in the town stocks from sunrise to sunset for a week with "I am a criminal and a disgrace to society" written above them, with footage of that on TV as well, that may have more effect. It may not, of course, but at least the victims of their criminality would feel that the perps were being punished.

There is way too little vengeance in the sentencing.

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#1265083 22-Mar-2015 15:27

Geektastic:

Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Whilst I tend to agree that sentences are too light, I think a large part of the problem is that we nowadays have far too people who perceive (often correctly) that they have nothing to lose.

If you're living in a squalid overcrowded home with no job and no prospects, there's little deterrent from "If you do something bad, we'll make you go to a place where the walls aren't mouldy and you have to share your room with one other person, and you get all your needs looked after."

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#1265343 22-Mar-2015 20:37

frankv:
Geektastic:

Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Whilst I tend to agree that sentences are too light, I think a large part of the problem is that we nowadays have far too people who perceive (often correctly) that they have nothing to lose.

If you're living in a squalid overcrowded home with no job and no prospects, there's little deterrent from "If you do something bad, we'll make you go to a place where the walls aren't mouldy and you have to share your room with one other person, and you get all your needs looked after."

As was previously said you get what you voted for IMHO. Housing someone in jail costs in excess of 100k per inmate per year. I think that's a massive waste of money.
Too many poor people who have no opportunities and hungry kids where their parents are blamed for being rubbish. Which allows the people passing judgement to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
Yet with more people being kicked off benefits, hungry kids, under resourced police.
And the cycle continues.

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#1265348 22-Mar-2015 20:47

Geektastic:
sbiddle:
mattwnz: Are you getting them to check it? They may still be using a tape one that overwrites every day, as they tend to be a couple a decades behind over there from my experience.

I don't know about Featherston but all the other GWRC stations that have CCTV in the Hutt are all IP based and monitored at Wellington Railway Station.

Yes they do have it and we advised the Police who will request the footage.

Good luck. Someone hit my car in an Auckland Transport carpark in New Lynn a few months ago, only cosmetic damage fortunately but still it's my car. Rang AT who said to ask the police to request the footage. Did that at the local police station 10minutes later. Nothing. Police did stuff all. I've called many times and I imagine it's been wiped already. I don't think I've ever had the police respond or do anything whenever I've needed their assistance. Sure they are probably doing important things but I doubt they're doing it 24/7.

Sucks though about the car :(

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#1265371 22-Mar-2015 22:17

So the latest seems to be a bit more than the original "we aren't doing anything else" - so much so, that I am left wondering what the point of actually saying that was. As per the suggestion above from Dratsab (ta muchly for that) I asked them a few questions and this is what they said (no names, no pack drill)

"Thank you for your email - I can confirm that the CCTV footage has been requested and that Kiwirail are in the process of actioning the Police request.

A number of vehicles were broken into at the time and one vehicle has been stolen, so the offender has spent a considerable amount of time at the Railway Station.

Once the footage is received, it will not be forwarded and attempts to identify those responsible will be the responsibility of Police.

Additionally, the vehicle was not fingerprinted due to the length of time the vehicle was parked at the station, however other vehicles involved have been assessed and we are waiting for those results.

The matter is currently being investigated by Wairarapa Community Policing and the officer will make contact if there are any further questions.

Thanks and Kind Regards"

Ignoring the quaint grammar ("has been stolen" rather than "was stolen", "has spent" rather than "spent" etc) which the police always seem to use, the response does suggest that hopefully, since there was a bit of a spree, someone may actually get caught.

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#1265374 22-Mar-2015 22:20

frankv:
Geektastic:

Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Whilst I tend to agree that sentences are too light, I think a large part of the problem is that we nowadays have far too people who perceive (often correctly) that they have nothing to lose.

If you're living in a squalid overcrowded home with no job and no prospects, there's little deterrent from "If you do something bad, we'll make you go to a place where the walls aren't mouldy and you have to share your room with one other person, and you get all your needs looked after."

What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

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#1265378 22-Mar-2015 22:55

Geektastic:

What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I love the way you're demonstrating you're a worthwhile human being, and should be part of a civil society. Bravo.

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#1265380 22-Mar-2015 23:32

Never have this issue on the North Shore of Auckland.
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