freitasm: So put better security at the memorial, not in everyone else's place.

Klipspringer:

freitasm: So put better security at the memorial, not in everyone else's place.

And how do you propose they impliment that security? By not searching "everybody's" bags? By not putting up cameras which record everybody entering/exiting the memorial? Please explain this security you refering to?

Security = searching people and/or bags = Where's my privacy????

Anybody that goes to the memorial does not have the right to total privacy.

freitasm:
Exactly as I said: better security at the memorial. Be it cameras, etc. You have no expectation of privacy in public.

Using this vandalism as support for a carte blanche for the GCSB to have powers over EVERYONE is way beyond the benefits proposed.

Klipspringer:

freitasm: So put better security at the memorial, not in everyone else's place.

And how do you propose they impliment that security? By not searching "everybody's" bags? By not putting up cameras which record everybody entering/exiting the memorial? Please explain this security you refering to?

Security = searching people and/or bags = Where's my privacy????

Anybody that goes to the memorial does not have the right to total privacy.

KiwiNZ: But trivialising the incident is almost as bad

freitasm: You both are confusing The Internet (infrastructure) with Internet-based services, which can store and forward data.

One thing is people posting their thoughts in public view (Twitter), another thing is people sending an email from Person A to Person B. The email has an implied privacy setting, like a letter inside an envelope.

It may be easy to see the packets flowing, but people expect privacy and certainly if a government agency want to look at those packets they then need a legal warrant and oversight.

freitasm:  another thing is people sending an email from Person A to Person B. The email has an implied privacy setting, like a letter inside an envelope.

freitasm:
It may be easy to see the packets flowing, but people expect privacy and certainly if a government agency want to look at those packets they then need a legal warrant and oversight.

freitasm:

KiwiNZ: But trivialising the incident is almost as bad

Do you think we should give the government all access to everyone's lives at the whim of the Prime Minister because of Jewish graves desecration? Incidents like that happened before and we shouldn't give the government surveillance state powers to prevent that happening. The police is already empowered to investigate these things.

KiwiNZ:

freitasm:

KiwiNZ: But trivialising the incident is almost as bad

Do you think we should give the government all access to everyone's lives at the whim of the Prime Minister because of Jewish graves desecration? Incidents like that happened before and we shouldn't give the government surveillance state powers to prevent that happening. The police is already empowered to investigate these things.

Your example further reinforces my position. Incidents like the Jewish Graves in Auckland and the desecration of War Memorials and other Cemeteries, this incident in Christchurch is becoming more frequent. A society that allows , condones, trivialises or fails to act against these actions does not deserve certain freedoms. 

freitasm:

KiwiNZ:

freitasm:

KiwiNZ: But trivialising the incident is almost as bad

Do you think we should give the government all access to everyone's lives at the whim of the Prime Minister because of Jewish graves desecration? Incidents like that happened before and we shouldn't give the government surveillance state powers to prevent that happening. The police is already empowered to investigate these things.

Your example further reinforces my position. Incidents like the Jewish Graves in Auckland and the desecration of War Memorials and other Cemeteries, this incident in Christchurch is becoming more frequent. A society that allows , condones, trivialises or fails to act against these actions does not deserve certain freedoms. 

No one outside the perpetrators would condone these acts. What I am saying is that Police already have powers to investigate these and there's no need to give the GCSB more powers to tap into people's private lives when there are already mechanisms to find and prosecute those criminals.