scuwp:  or subverted on this occasion.

frankv:

DonGould: It would make much more sense to simply require them to attend driver training and pay for it.

I don't understand why NZ schools don't include driving as a part of their curriculum. Virtually every NZer will at some time need to learn to drive. It makes sense to me that our teaching institutions should do this.

wasabi2k:

frankv:

DonGould: It would make much more sense to simply require them to attend driver training and pay for it.

I don't understand why NZ schools don't include driving as a part of their curriculum. Virtually every NZer will at some time need to learn to drive. It makes sense to me that our teaching institutions should do this.

I would suggest our school system focuses on things like reading, writing and maths before worrying about driving.

Basic financial education (HPs are BAD, Credit Cards poorly managed are BAD) would be well above driving in my book.

If you want to learn to drive - you can, schools don't need to do it. 

wasabi2k:

frankv:

DonGould: It would make much more sense to simply require them to attend driver training and pay for it.

I don't understand why NZ schools don't include driving as a part of their curriculum. Virtually every NZer will at some time need to learn to drive. It makes sense to me that our teaching institutions should do this.

I would suggest our school system focuses on things like reading, writing and maths before worrying about driving.

Basic financial education (HPs are BAD, Credit Cards poorly managed are BAD) would be well above driving in my book.

If you want to learn to drive - you can, schools don't need to do it. 

DonGould:

MileHighKiwi: I actually think the best thing to do is impose mandatory jail sentences, say 7 days for repeated driving without a license.

That's $1,700 a time.  I'm happy with that idea as long as you're picking up the tab and not me.

It would make much more sense to simply require them to attend driver training and pay for it.

MileHighKiwi:  not sure you can get that far in debt these days??

MileHighKiwi: On one hand I really don't like this, but on the other hand I think fining people who are unlikely to pay is just a waste of time. You only have to watch Road Cops or Police Ten Seven and hear the bros say "add it to the tab" to understand their attitude to fines. The tab gets bigger until they take $10 per week from their benefit. I actually think the best thing to do is impose mandatory jail sentences, say 7 days for repeated driving without a license.

DonGould:

MileHighKiwi:  not sure you can get that far in debt these days??

That's just some poor policing right there isn't it?

Likely to just drive someone to crime.

6FIEND:

DonGould:

MileHighKiwi:  not sure you can get that far in debt these days??

That's just some poor policing right there isn't it?

Likely to just drive someone to crime.

That's a preposterous argument!

He accrued the fines by committing crimes in the first place.  To suggest otherwise (and that somehow the police caused the situation by charging him after he committed those crimes) is a failure of logic.

MikeB4: It seems more logical to me that the example of restorative justice be used and those fines converted into X number of hours of community work.

frankv: Whilst I agree with the "one rule for all" sentiment, there is a key aspect which hasn't been mentioned in this thread... to avoid a fine, there is a requirement to gain a license within 2 months.

Jaxson:

frankv: Whilst I agree with the "one rule for all" sentiment, there is a key aspect which hasn't been mentioned in this thread... to avoid a fine, there is a requirement to gain a license within 2 months.

Very good point here.

We had inadvertently gone past our WOF period by a day or so when we were stopped at a police random stop checkpoint on a Sunday.
The officer inspected the car, checked the children were secured correctly in the proper child seats etc and then found our front left tyre to be worn on the outer edge.

We were issued a $180 fine, but with instructions that this would be waived if we presented a new WOF pass sheet to the local police station within one week.

Went in that Monday, got the WOF, did have to replace the tyre too, took the sheet into the Police station and the fine was waived.

The Police Office made it clear right from the start that his main concern was keeping the cars safe on the road, especially family vehicles in this case as he'd attended a few roll over crashes where the front tyres had popped.

mclean: It reads: "All Maori drivers detected driving without liscences or in breach of liscence conditions given compliance and referred to community based driver liscence training. Failure to compy within a 2 mnth period will result in an infringement being issed."

That's clear then - you will be issed if you don't compy in 2 mnth and get your liscence.