Spread of Islam - Something to be concerned about or not ?

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#1350467 23-Jul-2015 15:13

heylinb4nz: http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/TSHIRTS/138007A.jpg

Wow that T-shirt is pretty extreme. I can see the message though the band is trying to portray

Christians would politely denounce the shirt, christian extremists would most likely protest, in fact Im certain if you walked through vatican city wearing it, no harm would come to you.

on the other hand, if you swapped Jesus for another prophet I do wonder what would happen ????

That is extreme.

My brother had one that had 'Lord!' in huge gothic script with "save me from your followers!" in smaller script beneath which I liked.

Also one with a picture of the Twin Towers on it that said "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings!"

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#1350498 23-Jul-2015 15:16

Geektastic: Also one with a picture of the Twin Towers on it that said "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings!"

Wear of those in a USA airport and it's asking to get put on the side and ordered it switched with a different one or no flying.

Freedom of expression is good until they don't like what you say - any side.

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#1350502 23-Jul-2015 15:19

To answer the OP's question as far as I can:

I have witnessed first hand the destruction of Britain by unfettered multiculti immigration.

Many cultures have quietly assimilated into British culture well - the stand out failure would be the Mohammedans. They persist in both visible differences (e.g. burqas and hijab) and invisible differences (e.g. causing almost all UK supermarket meat to be halal just in case and causing state schools to stop serving pork at lunch just in case).

I know many very nice muslims - and Citizen Khan on BBC tv is a comedy that shows they can laugh at themselves - but I would certainly exercise caution as there is a streak of madness there that seems pernicious and invidious when compared to most other religions.

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#1350504 23-Jul-2015 15:19

great article:

WHY YOU OFFEND ISLAM

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#1350506 23-Jul-2015 15:21

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Geektastic: Also one with a picture of the Twin Towers on it that said "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings!"

Wear of those in a USA airport and it's asking to get put on the side and ordered it switched with a different one or no flying.

Freedom of expression is good until they don't like what you say - any side.

It would be an unwise choice for that particular situation, certainly.

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#1350507 23-Jul-2015 15:21

But some idiots do it.

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#1350515 23-Jul-2015 15:27

freitasm: But some idiots do it.

Sadly my policies for reducing the number of idiots are seldom popular!

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#1350536 23-Jul-2015 15:38

Some more scary reading here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html

Although they are only talking low numbers like 40% and 20% for various things, this is the UK, these people live in the UK and they hold these thoughts in a country that should never see such things like support for bombers and Sharia law.

Perhaps the surveys are skewed or are anti Islamic propaganda, I don't know.

All I know is the Muslim people \ followers of Islam offer up less credible explanations and expect us to accept those answers, great way of getting people on board with your religion.

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#1350540 23-Jul-2015 15:42

Geektastic: To answer the OP's question as far as I can:

I have witnessed first hand the destruction of Britain by unfettered multiculti immigration.

Many cultures have quietly assimilated into British culture well - the stand out failure would be the Mohammedans. They persist in both visible differences (e.g. burqas and hijab) and invisible differences (e.g. causing almost all UK supermarket meat to be halal just in case and causing state schools to stop serving pork at lunch just in case).

I know many very nice muslims - and Citizen Khan on BBC tv is a comedy that shows they can laugh at themselves - but I would certainly exercise caution as there is a streak of madness there that seems pernicious and invidious when compared to most other religions.

You say "quietly assimilated into British culture well " so with that if British folk moved to Saudi Arabia for example the same would apply and that they quietly assimilate into Saudi culture . History has shown that it has not happened.

I see nothing wrong with peoples bringing and maintaining their cultural uniqueness to New Zealand, it enhances our society.

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#1350541 23-Jul-2015 15:43

MikeB4:
Geektastic: To answer the OP's question as far as I can:

I have witnessed first hand the destruction of Britain by unfettered multiculti immigration.

Many cultures have quietly assimilated into British culture well - the stand out failure would be the Mohammedans. They persist in both visible differences (e.g. burqas and hijab) and invisible differences (e.g. causing almost all UK supermarket meat to be halal just in case and causing state schools to stop serving pork at lunch just in case).

I know many very nice muslims - and Citizen Khan on BBC tv is a comedy that shows they can laugh at themselves - but I would certainly exercise caution as there is a streak of madness there that seems pernicious and invidious when compared to most other religions.

You say "quietly assimilated into British culture well " so with that if British folk moved to Saudi Arabia for example the same would apply and that they quietly assimilate into Saudi culture . History has shown that it has not happened.

I see nothing wrong with peoples bringing and maintaining their cultural uniqueness to New Zealand, it enhances our society.

British people can't even assimilate into NZ culture! ;)

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#1350544 23-Jul-2015 15:44

DizzyD: great article:

WHY YOU OFFEND ISLAM

I stopped at Whale Oil

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#1350551 23-Jul-2015 15:55

MikeB4:

I see nothing wrong with peoples bringing and maintaining their cultural uniqueness to New Zealand, it enhances our society.

The problem with this statement is that you are assuming Islam is just a culture. Sure different cultures enhance our society. But Islam is not just a culture.

I love spicy food from the east BTW

Islam is not a religion or a culture. Its a way of life.
Understand that, and then you will understand that it can never function in its completed form here in NZ.

We are a country of 4.5 million.
If our geography supported it, and we had the resources, would you be willing to let government open the doors to 2 Million Islamists? Even 1 Million?

What would you say to your son/daughter if they told you that they were becoming Islam and were flying out to Iraq next week?

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#1350555 23-Jul-2015 15:57

MikeB4:
Geektastic: To answer the OP's question as far as I can:

I have witnessed first hand the destruction of Britain by unfettered multiculti immigration.

Many cultures have quietly assimilated into British culture well - the stand out failure would be the Mohammedans. They persist in both visible differences (e.g. burqas and hijab) and invisible differences (e.g. causing almost all UK supermarket meat to be halal just in case and causing state schools to stop serving pork at lunch just in case).

I know many very nice muslims - and Citizen Khan on BBC tv is a comedy that shows they can laugh at themselves - but I would certainly exercise caution as there is a streak of madness there that seems pernicious and invidious when compared to most other religions.

You say "quietly assimilated into British culture well " so with that if British folk moved to Saudi Arabia for example the same would apply and that they quietly assimilate into Saudi culture . History has shown that it has not happened.

I see nothing wrong with peoples bringing and maintaining their cultural uniqueness to New Zealand, it enhances our society.

How would Sharia Law enhance our society ? Do you want your kids exposed to what the Quran teaches ?

Hell even the Muslims amongst themselves cant agree on what is true Islam (The Hadith, Sunnah, Quran), even killing each other over disagreement.

Lets hope the less oppressive version is the one they agree on.

It not like Catholics and Protestents arguing about faith which has virtually zero ramifications for NZ as a society.

Also (after you have tried to understand Islam) have a read of FIANZ objectives

http://www.fianz.co.nz/objectives

If that doesnt scare you as a New Zealander than you should leave NZ, becuase you obviously dont give a damn about your country.

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#1350557 23-Jul-2015 16:02

heylinb4nz:
MikeB4:
Geektastic: To answer the OP's question as far as I can:

I have witnessed first hand the destruction of Britain by unfettered multiculti immigration.

Many cultures have quietly assimilated into British culture well - the stand out failure would be the Mohammedans. They persist in both visible differences (e.g. burqas and hijab) and invisible differences (e.g. causing almost all UK supermarket meat to be halal just in case and causing state schools to stop serving pork at lunch just in case).

I know many very nice muslims - and Citizen Khan on BBC tv is a comedy that shows they can laugh at themselves - but I would certainly exercise caution as there is a streak of madness there that seems pernicious and invidious when compared to most other religions.

You say "quietly assimilated into British culture well " so with that if British folk moved to Saudi Arabia for example the same would apply and that they quietly assimilate into Saudi culture . History has shown that it has not happened.

I see nothing wrong with peoples bringing and maintaining their cultural uniqueness to New Zealand, it enhances our society.

How would Sharia Law enhance our society ? Do you want your kids exposed to what the Quran teaches ?

Hell even the Muslims amongst themselves cant agree on what is true Islam (The Hadith, Sunnah, Quran), even killing each other over disagreement.

Lets hope the less oppressive version is the one they agree on.

It not like Catholics and Protestents arguing about faith which has virtually zero ramifications for NZ as a society.

Also (after you have tried to understand Islam) have a read of FIANZ objectives

http://www.fianz.co.nz/objectives

If that doesnt scare you as a New Zealander than you should leave NZ, becuase you obviously dont give a damn about your country.

I'm no muslim apologist, but what exactly do you take issue with on that page? Sounds like probably the objectives and targets of all religions or associations in general.

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#1350562 23-Jul-2015 16:10

heylinb4nz:
How would Sharia Law enhance our society ? Do you want your kids exposed to what the Quran teaches ?

Hell even the Muslims amongst themselves cant agree on what is true Islam (The Hadith, Sunnah, Quran), even killing each other over disagreement.

Lets hope the less oppressive version is the one they agree on.

It not like Catholics and Protestents arguing about faith which has virtually zero ramifications for NZ as a society.

Also (after you have tried to understand Islam) have a read of FIANZ objectives

http://www.fianz.co.nz/objectives

If that doesnt scare you as a New Zealander than you should leave NZ, becuase you obviously dont give a damn about your country.

The last line in your post is very offensive

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