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#1256875 12-Mar-2015 10:29

Indeed - if you buy in an area with a higher chance of having protected trees/resources, then be prepared to have to plan around them...if you want to mow everything down and have a blank canvas then look elsewhere :) However in this instance it does look as though the council dropped the ball, or rather managed the bounce of the ball and hoped that no one would noticed.

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#1256889 12-Mar-2015 10:43

I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

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#1256899 12-Mar-2015 10:45

Lias: I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

That's a bit...Rough. I think when the noise dies down, the property owners wishes should be respected.

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#1256900 12-Mar-2015 10:46

Lias: I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

Why?

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#1256990 12-Mar-2015 12:01

DravidDavid:
Lias: I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

That's a bit...Rough. I think when the noise dies down, the property owners wishes should be respected.

The property owner who really wanted to cut down the trees but has been bullied into not doing so by hordes of unwashed hippies and the media?

As to why, I can think of many reasons, but for a start

A: If the trees get killed, they can build the house they wanted, how they wanted.
B: It will piss off the hippies.
C: Decent supply of firewood.

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#1256997 12-Mar-2015 12:05

Lias:
DravidDavid:
Lias: I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

That's a bit...Rough. I think when the noise dies down, the property owners wishes should be respected.

The property owner who really wanted to cut down the trees but has been bullied into not doing so by hordes of unwashed hippies and the media?

As to why, I can think of many reasons, but for a start

A: If the trees get killed, they can build the house they wanted, how they wanted.
B: It will piss off the hippies.
C: Decent supply of firewood.

Is there any real reason to insult those who believe differently to you and those who care about the world around them

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#1257016 12-Mar-2015 12:15

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richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Sounds sensible. I suspect many properties already meet that criteria. Not to mention many properties are not in heritage or protected areas. Something like 70% of the country. If you choose to buy in the other 30%, I suspect you need to be very careful.

We were looking in Titirangi and many of the houses were dark and dank because of the vegetation being too close.

I asked the agent what the rules were regarding trees. She said "You'd be amazed how much storm damage we get round here...!"

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#1257047 12-Mar-2015 12:36

richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Having no trees on it is better. If it's gotten any tree you can bet the tree huggers in the council will do anything to prevent you from clearing the site..

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#1257053 12-Mar-2015 12:40

The really weird thing with trees, is the neighbours are allowed to ahve this really large imposing one right on the boundary, whereas if I wanted to build something useful that close to the boundary like a garage etc, which was no way near as tall, there would be no way. Just because its a tree people get to do all sorts of inconsiderate things with them.

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#1257054 12-Mar-2015 12:42

KiwiNZ:
Aredwood: The environmentalists in this country are literally "mental". Some examples: They protested against and blocked the construction of the Project Aqua Hydro power scheme. This means power prices are higher and more power is generated with fossil fuels - higher carbon emissions. They (green party along with labour) Introduced subsidies for air conditioning systems (heatpumps). More power usage during summer - higher carbon emissions. But wait carbon emissions are now too high. So lets introduce a carbon tax. But now power prices are too high. So lets purpose more regulations in a already heavily regulated industry.

Gareth Morgan wanted to Help the native birds, lizards ect by getting rid of wild cats. And by trying to discourage domestic cat ownership. Where were the environmentalists to give him some support? If anything they were protesting against him. Presumably they are happy with the status quo of wild cats living outside in the wind and rain, mostly without proper food or vet care. Slaughtering native animals. The unregulated puppy and kitten mills that don't care about animal welfare. And the SPCA that is forced to kill (put down) lots of unwanted cats and dogs. Which are the "output" of the puppy and kitten mills.

They said that vehicle emissions are too high. So they decided to adopt the European emissions rules. Problem is these rules place restrictions on Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) emissions. But to reduce NOx emissions means that fuel usage increases - More carbon emissions. UK motoring forum sites have lots of threads on removing / disabling EGR (exhaust gas recirculation). Which is the main system for reducing NOx emissions. When you look at how expensive petrol and diesel are in the UK. You can see why people do that. And every Diesel engine I have disabled EGR on has given worthwhile gains in fuel economy. (And corresponding lower carbon emissions).

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That protester in the Kauri tree and the others on the ground have probably spread kauri dieback disease to that tree. And all the other ones on the property. So even if they succeed in saving that tree in the short term. The propery owner will them be allowed to cut it down along with all the other ones on his property. Due to them dying and becoming safety hazards.

Yeah I suppose it is mental to try to save the only home we have for future generations

Could you please say what you don't agree with exactly. As surely reducing carbon emissions and helping native birds are good things to do.

What I don't like is groups like the green party. Who claim to help the environment. But who then enact policies that increase carbon emissions.

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#1257056 12-Mar-2015 12:47

old3eyes:
richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Having no trees on it is better. If it's gotten any tree you can bet the tree huggers in the council will do anything to prevent you from clearing the site..

When all the trees are gone so will we be gone

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#1257085 12-Mar-2015 13:13

sidefx:
richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Sounds sensible. I suspect many properties already meet that criteria. Not to mention many properties are not in heritage or protected areas. Something like 70% of the country. If you choose to buy in the other 30%, I suspect you need to be very careful.

I havnt really read the full story or care enough to do so, but they may have enquired with the council to see if they could get permission before purchasing the land (as many developers do), who would of course have said yes. It may not have been just a case of bad planning

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#1257093 12-Mar-2015 13:20

sidefx:
richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Sounds sensible. I suspect many properties already meet that criteria. Not to mention many properties are not in heritage or protected areas. Something like 70% of the country. If you choose to buy in the other 30%, I suspect you need to be very careful.

This has always been the case though. Same thing if you buy a property with a heritage building on it.

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#1257098 12-Mar-2015 13:23

richms: The really weird thing with trees, is the neighbours are allowed to ahve this really large imposing one right on the boundary, whereas if I wanted to build something useful that close to the boundary like a garage etc, which was no way near as tall, there would be no way. Just because its a tree people get to do all sorts of inconsiderate things with them.

These are council policies, which people have agreed to. If you don't agree, next time your council district plan come up for renewal, you are free to make a public submission. But these rules are there because the people have voted for them. A tree canopy is also not a solid object, so lets in light and air, so it can't be compared to a building, which is solid.

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#1257273 12-Mar-2015 15:44

KiwiNZ:
old3eyes:
richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.

Having no trees on it is better. If it's gotten any tree you can bet the tree huggers in the council will do anything to prevent you from clearing the site..

When all the trees are gone so will we be gone

It's a pretty long bow to draw that removing one tree in a nation that plants tens of thousands a year is going to affect the outcome of the human race...!

And logically, hastening our end as a species is the best outcome for the planet - and probably a lot of other planets!

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