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Topic # 151666 1-Sep-2014 15:35
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Discussion of the tragedy at Ashburton WINZ. If you want to discuss gun laws aspects go here.

This topic is more general about it:

State of mind of the shooter:

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11317351

Scene and the crime:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10446236/Two-dead-in-Work-and-Income-shooting

Edit: Intended to express more but out of time + epic stuggle with mobile device and rusty html.

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  Reply # 1119677 1-Sep-2014 15:36
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Don't know what needs to be discussed here. General tragedy....




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  Reply # 1119685 1-Sep-2014 15:42
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My thoughts and sympathies are with the victims, family and friends. Also with the Work and Income/ MSD staff Nationwide.




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Not really sure what to discuss, it's terrible that this happened, a tragedy for the family & friends of the victims, and frightening I'm sure for all in the general vicinity. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and punished appropriately.




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Inphinity: Not really sure what to discuss, it's terrible that this happened, a tragedy for the family & friends of the victims, and frightening I'm sure for all in the general vicinity. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and punished appropriately.


It sounds like he'll be better off after being punished - warm dry cell, decent healthcare, 3 square meals a day.

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Tragic all round.  No winners here.




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  Reply # 1119797 1-Sep-2014 18:07
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Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.




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Thank goodness they have caught the guy




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DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.




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  Reply # 1119805 1-Sep-2014 18:17
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KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?




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jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?


Years of experience in both alternatives and a personal incident the would have been different.




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jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?


Don't bother blaming the current on a past judgement.




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  Reply # 1119818 1-Sep-2014 18:34
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KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?


Years of experience in both alternatives and a personal incident the would have been different.


you can't possibly know this unless you know exactly what happened today which, unless you were there you don't so its speculation and very poor at that. Wait until the facts are out before blaming anyone or thing





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jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?


Years of experience in both alternatives and a personal incident the would have been different.


you can't possibly know this unless you know exactly what happened today which, unless you were there you don't so its speculation and very poor at that. Wait until the facts are out before blaming anyone or thing



I am a 24 year Work and Income/ MSD veteran.




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KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
DarthKermit: Awful, just awful. I wonder if WINZ offices will eventually end up as secure as our court houses are now?

A murder in the Palmerston North district court in 1998 was one of the reasons courts are full of security now.


The change to open plan offices when Hickton/Rankin were CEO's was a mistake.


and you know that this would have changed what happened how?


Years of experience in both alternatives and a personal incident the would have been different.


you can't possibly know this unless you know exactly what happened today which, unless you were there you don't so its speculation and very poor at that. Wait until the facts are out before blaming anyone or thing



I am a 24 year Work and Income/ MSD veteran.


that as maybe but it doesn't mean you know what could have been or that it would have effected what happened today, you may well be right but at this stage you are only guessing




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I am not going to get into a debate over this with you here, it would be disrespectful to those lost and folks dear to me and all of the MSD family.




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