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  #1288550 21-Apr-2015 14:54
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http://www.mpi.govt.nz/news-and-resources/media-releases/butchers-prosecuted-for-use-of-sulphites-in-raw-meat/ 

If you have any questions or concerns, call MPI’s food safety consumer helpline on
0800 69 37 21.



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  #1288642 21-Apr-2015 16:15
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"The companies and company directors were each fined between $350 and $4500 for adding the potentially dangerous additives to non-compliant meat products"

What is it with our courts and these uselessly low fines for everything? Someone puts potentially dangerous chemicals in our food and they are fined $350-$4500?!

Should be $35,000 - $450,000





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  #1288702 21-Apr-2015 17:41
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Geektastic: "The companies and company directors were each fined between $350 and $4500 for adding the potentially dangerous additives to non-compliant meat products"

What is it with our courts and these uselessly low fines for everything? Someone puts potentially dangerous chemicals in our food and they are fined $350-$4500?!

Should be $35,000 - $450,000


Fine should be based on a % of income for both People and companies.

A $100 speeding fine for a low income family could be difficult, but for someone earning $100,000 plus its nothing.

So, the way to do it is Get the income, take away $20,000 living expenses then fine them up to 30% of the rest.

Same with Companies, take away $20,000 living expense and fine them 30% of the rest (Gross income), and NO the fines are NOT deductible.
And why Gross income, its so the likes of Google can't shunt 90% to a tax haven and call it a licence fee.

The whole part of fines is to act as a deterrent , so make it one.



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  #1288715 21-Apr-2015 18:08
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umm ... the preservatives are not unsafe as such ... just not allowed in unprocessed meats

it is widely found in your sausages and patties etc

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  #1288717 21-Apr-2015 18:09
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it seems the MPI website is accurate, saying unauthorised use of preservatives

somehow the journalists managed to create their own safety standards while munching on their sausages over morning tea

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  #1288753 21-Apr-2015 19:03
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It is neither unsafe nor dangerous* - it's simply illegal. (It is only dangerous if you're allergic to it)

Sulfur dioxide exists in thousands of products and is used as a preservative in virtually every processed meat product on the market. It's not however allowed in fresh meat to extend it's shelf life, in part because it's an allergen that must be declared, and NIP and ingredients are not required on single meat products.



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  #1288756 21-Apr-2015 19:06
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sir1963: 

Fine should be based on a % of income for both People and companies.



That won't work because  people can manipulate what they earn on paper.

 
 
 

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  #1288762 21-Apr-2015 19:17
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sbiddle: It is neither unsafe nor dangerous* - it's simply illegal. (It is only dangerous if you're allergic to it)

Sulfur dioxide exists in thousands of products and is used as a preservative in virtually every processed meat product on the market. It's not however allowed in fresh meat to extend it's shelf life, in part because it's an allergen that must be declared, and NIP and ingredients are not required on single meat products.




Be that as it may, my concern if this is a shortcut they are prepared to take, what others do they find inconvenient and skip.

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  #1288841 21-Apr-2015 22:31
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sir1963:
Geektastic: "The companies and company directors were each fined between $350 and $4500 for adding the potentially dangerous additives to non-compliant meat products"

What is it with our courts and these uselessly low fines for everything? Someone puts potentially dangerous chemicals in our food and they are fined $350-$4500?!

Should be $35,000 - $450,000


Fine should be based on a % of income for both People and companies.

A $100 speeding fine for a low income family could be difficult, but for someone earning $100,000 plus its nothing.

So, the way to do it is Get the income, take away $20,000 living expenses then fine them up to 30% of the rest.

Same with Companies, take away $20,000 living expense and fine them 30% of the rest (Gross income), and NO the fines are NOT deductible.
And why Gross income, its so the likes of Google can't shunt 90% to a tax haven and call it a licence fee.

The whole part of fines is to act as a deterrent , so make it one.


A fine should have nothing to do with your ability to pay it. It should be a deterrent measure and if the fine bankrupts you, then perhaps you will pay more attention to the law next time...





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  #1288845 21-Apr-2015 22:42
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mattwnz: 
That won't work because  people can manipulate what they earn on paper.


Surely the issue in that case is more that the law allows people to manipulate what they earn on paper...




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  #1288849 21-Apr-2015 22:57
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I wonder if they are doing tests on other areas of NZ. Although the media seems to think that Auckland is NZ.

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  #1288850 21-Apr-2015 22:58
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Heh that is just crazy talk, why should the fact I have educated myself, worked long hours and applied myself so I can earn well, mean that if I make the same mistake as someone else, I pay more?

Nonsense!

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  #1288868 21-Apr-2015 23:26
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networkn: Heh that is just crazy talk, why should the fact I have educated myself, worked long hours and applied myself so I can earn well, mean that if I make the same mistake as someone else, I pay more?

Nonsense!


No, not "make a mistake" - break the law, probably knowingly.  I know everyone who has every been given a speeding ticket will claim they didn't realise they were speeding, but 99% of the time that's rubbish.

And if as has been posited previously in the thread fines should be a true deterrent, then they should be a deterrent for everyone.  So the option then either becomes: 

1) Set fines so ridiculously high that they are a deterrent for everyone in the country even those earning 7 figures, or
2) Adopt some sort of day fine approach.




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