Static is (or was: can't find docs now) a one-off with Voyager as well.

smbunn:

 

No mention of Static IP on their application form.

 

It may not be on the form itself, but it's on the home page.

"Quic Broadband comes with a dynamic IPv4 & /56 IPv6 subnet. No Carrier-grade NAT or other nonsense.

A static IPv4 address & static IPv6 /56 subnet is available as a service addon at an additional cost (either $6 per month, or $49 one-off), available either when ordering your connection, or at any time once you have a live connection with Quic."

Behodar:

 

smbunn:

 

No mention of Static IP on their application form.

 

 

It may not be on the form itself, but it's on the home page.

 

"Quic Broadband comes with a dynamic IPv4 & /56 IPv6 subnet. No Carrier-grade NAT or other nonsense.

 

A static IPv4 address & static IPv6 /56 subnet is available as a service addon at an additional cost (either $6 per month, or $49 one-off), available either when ordering your connection, or at any time once you have a live connection with Quic."

 

It is also at the bottom of the sign up form...

@smbunn:

 

I checked Quic out.  No mention of Static IP on their application form.  I emailed them, no response in over a week.  Ruled them out.

 

On the order form there are two options:

You must be on a different website than the one i am on.  If I click on 'runner' I get this form:



No mention of Static IP and I was not going to click 'get connected' as I assume that means I am committed.

smbunn:

 

You must be on a different website than the one i am on.  If I click on 'runner' I get this form:

 

Further down in the FAQ's

smbunn:

 

No mention of Static IP and I was not going to click 'get connected' as I assume that means I am committed.

 

Not at all - just takes you into the pre-populated order form for you to confirm details and then proceed to account creation/payment.

Maybe my mysterious $90 connection fee is actually a one-off Static IP fee :-)

Still $5/month cheaper than Quic or $60/yr so I am slightly better off.

smbunn: Still $5/month cheaper than Quic or $60/yr so I am slightly better off.

Let me just show you two things:

BTIT (Faro): https://bgp.he.net/AS153312 

Vetta (Quic): https://bgp.he.net/AS64073 

ISP's are not a commodity like power companies for example. There is a clear difference with investment when you look at that. You're free to pick what you like but in my own opinion there is nothing appealing to Faro at all.

Is that actually true?  Surely the fibre and everything else is provided by Chorus plus big players, all the hardware, software is the same regardless of who you go with, just like the electrons arriving at your house don't care which electricity provider you are actually signed up with?

In 25 years of Internet access I have not made any support calls nor had any issues in probably the last 20 years.  It used to be an issue in the bad old days.  As I mentioned I used OS2, was with IBM at $5/MB for dial up access and used the hardware I keep in my tag line below.  I am an old school software engineer.

smbunn: Is that actually true?  Surely the fibre and everything else is provided by Chorus plus big players, all the hardware, software is the same regardless of who you go with, just like the electrons arriving at your house don't care which electricity provider you are actually signed up with?

Yes.

You're paying for basically a handover to your ISP of choice then you're on their network. Broadband is not a commodity at all and I seriously can't find any information about this ISP or their network.

PeeringDB also paints more of a picture if you look at Vetta for example: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/6836 

I can't find any information on BTIT's network at all but from me just looking at their AS it appears they may only may have a presence in Wellington. So while hunting for the cheapest provider works in the Electricity world, it doesn't work the same in the ISP world.

There is a big difference. The only thing that is similar between ISPs is the optics between your property and the Chorus handover, everything else is the ISP. The handover from there, their network core, peering, customer support. I have noticed a difference in performance, hops and latency depending on who the ISP chooses to peer with and the equipment they use. For example, Spark performs notably worse with Cloudflare and MyRepublic had to traverse Auckland if you were in Wellington going to another Wellington endpoint.

And with a $90 connection fee, you might find that out the expensive way.

Having helped a few people move on from 2degrees to other options when they were having constant issues, there is a lot of difference between ISPs, particularly when you are trapped behind CGNAT with the problems it causes when there are people in the house that are torrenting.

I have a place in France using a mobile provider as my Internet data provider.  It is behind CGNAT or equivalent so I had to use an NGROK reverse tunnel to allow me to RDP into the site.  A pain but luckily all my other devices their make their own presence on the Internet (my Camera, my Home Assistant....).

Here in NZ I run 13 sub-domains hence the need for a static IP, just so much easier!

michaelmurfy:

 

smbunn: Is that actually true?  Surely the fibre and everything else is provided by Chorus plus big players, all the hardware, software is the same regardless of who you go with, just like the electrons arriving at your house don't care which electricity provider you are actually signed up with?

 

Yes.

 

You're paying for basically a handover to your ISP of choice then you're on their network. Broadband is not a commodity at all and I seriously can't find any information about this ISP or their network.

 

PeeringDB also paints more of a picture if you look at Vetta for example: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/6836 

 

I can't find any information on BTIT's network at all but from me just looking at their AS it appears they may only may have a presence in Wellington. So while hunting for the cheapest provider works in the Electricity world, it doesn't work the same in the ISP world.

 

To add onto this. I know that small players struggle and one of the things they struggle with is credibility and innovating.

I cannot find what BTIT's resold Devoli network makes it innovative, and their AI generated website makes me to believe that this was either incredibly rushed or it's a business waiting to go bang in the wrong way. The site has a lot of errors which makes its credibility pretty poor. Devoli itself are a good network don't get me wrong... But there are other bigger, better players out there that are actually worth the penny.

I cannot in good faith recommend this Faro/BTIT brand. Now if they jumped on GZ, took the feedback, made some corrections and invested in it... Then that could change.

Vetta/Quic will do you much better OP.

smbunn:

 

I checked Quic out.  No mention of Static IP on their application form.  I emailed them, no response in over a week.  Ruled them out.

 

Unlike them..... 

They 100% offer static IPs. Its in their Q/A on their main page.

"A static IPv4 address & static IPv6 /56 subnet is available as a service addon at an additional cost (either $6 per month, or $49 one-off), available either when ordering your connection, or at any time once you have a live connection with Quic."

Seriously tho, they are very good and open about their network (as much as they can be) etc