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#1174865 13-Nov-2014 06:34

UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps between Jul-2018 and Jun-2019

Not to worried though getting 61Mbps on VDSL so I can wait. Plus in 8 months when my contract runs out I can always change back to Vodafone cable for 100Mbps but probably wont.

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#1174889 13-Nov-2014 06:51

plambrechtsen:
I'm fairly sure that in Miramar the areas around Weta were definitely destined to be built first before others plus Seatoun which is a far wealthier suburb than Strathmore. To me the focus in the Miramar area is around the business areas first, then the wealthy suburb who already has VDSL then the rest. It's not to say that I am ungrateful that I will be getting UFB in 2016/7. It's just hard for me to not see prioritisation has occurred to deliver UFB to some areas sooner than others. So I sit on ADSL, and have to recommend to my neighbors to go to Vodafone Cable if they wanted higher speed internet.

The decisions made were targeting businesses, as you noted. For the rest, density had more a factor than anything other than availability of fibre already. That is, a neighborhood with ample fibre to the CO and high density would be above other residential areas. The lower density residential areas were last. As well as COs with poor connectivity being lower on the list because they needed more prep work.

The reason is that Chorus gets $$$ for every residence with fibre to the street. They also get $$$ for the install, but in a manner that isn't cash-positive (at least wasn't for the first batches, the other LFCs were doing better on cost than Chorus).

So if there are two neighborhoods to cover, the "poorer" neighborhood was more likely to be covered first. We are seeing that in Auckland with the houses on full lots (or larger) are last on the list, and the areas with 2-6 houses per section are covered first. This is because Chorus can cover more houses (thus get more CFH cash) per metre of fibre in the ground. So why not do those first?

Of course, they agreed to do it all, and the wealthier areas are more likely to buy, so they could have gone the other way. I personally think that had an effect on the poor initial uptake. If they targeted areas with more disposable income, the initial uptake would have been higher.

But then, our discussion would be about Chorus's racist/elitist practices, cherry picking the "better" areas for service first. So I don't think they made the "wrong" decision. You can't build it all at once. They are going according to the schedule laid out by the government. If it's not fast enough, that's a matter to take up with your MP, who may have had a hand in crafting the rules Chorus is building to. I think Chorus had less influence over the install priorities than people give them credit for.

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#1175023 13-Nov-2014 10:46

Sigh Army Bay in Whangaparaoa...UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps between Jul-2018 and Jun-2019. At least I get VDSL I guess....

What I don't get is on Whangaparaoa Peninsula they have bought all equipment/man power etc out and gone all the way to Gulf Harbour why would you not just finish the Peninsula as a whole? I guess this isn't the only place in a similar situation but just seems like a complete waste of time/resources to leave and come back

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#1175039 13-Nov-2014 11:18

Whinery:
The reason is that Chorus gets $$$ for every residence with fibre to the street. They also get $$$ for the install, but in a manner that isn't cash-positive (at least wasn't for the first batches, the other LFCs were doing better on cost than Chorus).

That's not really the case at all and is a common misconception...
Chorus doesn't get $$ for any part of UFB - It's a loan. and the loan is only for a portion of what UFB is costing.
Chorus certainly don't get $$ for the install - in fact, Chorus is paying for all of the installs at the moment.

Whinery:
I think Chorus had less influence over the install priorities than people give them credit for.

Correct!

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#1175066 13-Nov-2014 11:40

Jekkyl: Sigh Army Bay in Whangaparaoa...UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps between Jul-2018 and Jun-2019. At least I get VDSL I guess....

What I don't get is on Whangaparaoa Peninsula they have bought all equipment/man power etc out and gone all the way to Gulf Harbour why would you not just finish the Peninsula as a whole? I guess this isn't the only place in a similar situation but just seems like a complete waste of time/resources to leave and come back

Thats the same situation we're in. I'm on Te Atatu Peninsula in Auckland. Fibre is currently being installed along the street that ours joins. but we're not scheduled for UFB until 2019-2020.

I get that there needs to be cut off points somewhere, but I'm curious as to how these are defined. Looking at the map, my initial thought was that it was being driven by location of schools and the primary business district. But deeper inspection reveals that its only covering the intermediate school, and possibly one of the four primary schools. It is also not covering the area where the high school is.

There are a few industrial businesses towards the end of the peninsula, and the Tasti factory is down there too. So that may well be the driving force behind the current plan.

Edit: Update image to show school locations

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#1175097 13-Nov-2014 12:06

BMarquis:
That's not really the case at all and is a common misconception...
Chorus doesn't get $$ for any part of UFB - It's a loan. and the loan is only for a portion of what UFB is costing.
Chorus certainly don't get $$ for the install - in fact, Chorus is paying for all of the installs at the moment.

CFH is tasked with overseeing the distribution of 1.35 Billion dollars, of which about 3/4 is going to Chorus, based on the CFH's statements.

If there's a misconception, it's a deliberate one caused by the government, and not an accident by ignorant people.

"The project, into which $1.35 billion of taxpayers' money is being tipped," http://www.interest.co.nz/business/67368/goverment-says-ultra-fast-broadband-has-now-reached-over-320000-potential-customers-o

"[Chorus] struck a deal with Crown Fibre Holdings which will allow it to bring forward funding set aside for the 2017 and 2018 financial years so it can be spent next year." https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/chorus-given-ultra-fast-broadband-022146612.html

And piles of others that indicate that it's 1.35 billion dollars of real taxpayer money being paid out, mostly to Chorus. I'm not saying you are wrong. I don't know for sure, I haven't read Chorus's contract with the government (can you link to it, if so, I'll read it). I'm saying that we are constantly told by the government and those reporting on the government that the UFB is costing over a billion dollars, and that the lion's share is going to Chorus.

If we are all wrong, it's not a "misconception", it's a propaganda campaign.

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#1175102 13-Nov-2014 12:10

Jekkyl: Sigh Army Bay in Whangaparaoa...UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps between Jul-2018 and Jun-2019. At least I get VDSL I guess....

What I don't get is on Whangaparaoa Peninsula they have bought all equipment/man power etc out and gone all the way to Gulf Harbour why would you not just finish the Peninsula as a whole? I guess this isn't the only place in a similar situation but just seems like a complete waste of time/resources to leave and come back

I'm in the same boat, in Manly, 2018. And I will have left home by then, and I have no vdsl. The dissapojntment is real.

What I find stupid is they did the whole of Albany in Year 1 and they haven't done any other area at the same time.

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#1175110 13-Nov-2014 12:12

dclegg:
Jekkyl: Sigh Army Bay in Whangaparaoa...UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps between Jul-2018 and Jun-2019. At least I get VDSL I guess....

What I don't get is on Whangaparaoa Peninsula they have bought all equipment/man power etc out and gone all the way to Gulf Harbour why would you not just finish the Peninsula as a whole? I guess this isn't the only place in a similar situation but just seems like a complete waste of time/resources to leave and come back

Thats the same situation we're in. I'm on Te Atatu Peninsula in Auckland. Fibre is currently being installed along the street that ours joins. but we're not scheduled for UFB until 2019-2020.

I get that there needs to be cut off points somewhere, but I'm curious as to how these are defined. Looking at the map, my initial thought was that it was being driven by location of schools and the primary business district. But deeper inspection reveals that its only covering the intermediate school, and possibly one of the four primary schools. It is also not covering the area where the high school is.

There are a few industrial businesses towards the end of the peninsula, and the Tasti factory is down there too. So that may well be the driving force behind the current plan.

Edit: Update image to show school locations

Schools are a priority so get their own connection before anything else.

Home ADSL: School:

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#1175125 13-Nov-2014 12:33

dcole13:

Schools are a priority so get their own connection before anything else.

Ah, ok. So they can be taken out of the decision equation entirely then.

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#1175139 13-Nov-2014 12:48

dcole13: Schools are a priority so get their own connection before anything else.

We have two schools in our (Wellington) street, and we will get fibre in 2019-2020.

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#1175141 13-Nov-2014 12:50

Whinery:
BMarquis:
That's not really the case at all and is a common misconception...
Chorus doesn't get $$ for any part of UFB - It's a loan. and the loan is only for a portion of what UFB is costing.
Chorus certainly don't get $$ for the install - in fact, Chorus is paying for all of the installs at the moment.

CFH is tasked with overseeing the distribution of 1.35 Billion dollars, of which about 3/4 is going to Chorus, based on the CFH's statements.

If there's a misconception, it's a deliberate one caused by the government, and not an accident by ignorant people.

"The project, into which $1.35 billion of taxpayers' money is being tipped," http://www.interest.co.nz/business/67368/goverment-says-ultra-fast-broadband-has-now-reached-over-320000-potential-customers-o

"[Chorus] struck a deal with Crown Fibre Holdings which will allow it to bring forward funding set aside for the 2017 and 2018 financial years so it can be spent next year." https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/chorus-given-ultra-fast-broadband-022146612.html

And piles of others that indicate that it's 1.35 billion dollars of real taxpayer money being paid out, mostly to Chorus. I'm not saying you are wrong. I don't know for sure, I haven't read Chorus's contract with the government (can you link to it, if so, I'll read it). I'm saying that we are constantly told by the government and those reporting on the government that the UFB is costing over a billion dollars, and that the lion's share is going to Chorus.

If we are all wrong, it's not a "misconception", it's a propaganda campaign.

PM'd as this is going off topic

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#1175160 13-Nov-2014 13:12

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dcole13: Schools are a priority so get their own connection before anything else.

We have two schools in our (Wellington) street, and we will get fibre in 2019-2020.

Two schools in my street, one 2 metres from my front door. Getting fibre here by March next year.

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#1175280 13-Nov-2014 15:56

June 2016-June 2017 for me, in the Glenfield/Bayview area of Auckland. I'm happy to finally have a date. VDSL is serving me pretty well at the moment, but I am worried it'll slow with additional traffic. Also frustrating to look out my front window at houses on the opposite hill that have fibre - but that's a brand new subdivision so I guess they got it right off the bat.

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#1175420 13-Nov-2014 20:16

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dcole13: Schools are a priority so get their own connection before anything else.

We have two schools in our (Wellington) street, and we will get fibre in 2019-2020.

All Schools that were to have a UFB connection available to them, were done in yr 1 & 2 - if they werent to be in a UFB 'area' built at the time, then they were direct connected via a dedicated cable back into the main fibre runs from the exchange.

The residential areas around theses schools were not included at the same time - that is why haveing a school in your area doesent make your area anymore of a priority over another now.

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#1175589 14-Nov-2014 08:40

Down in Avalon (Lower Hutt)

UFB fibre up to 200 Mbps by Jan-2015

Looking forward to when it is installed - hopefully they can re-use the existing copper line ducting. I'll go naked UFB with Spark, 100Mbps but hopefully by then 200Mbps will be on offer :-)

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