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#1184823 28-Nov-2014 11:41

Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

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#1184829 28-Nov-2014 11:54

afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

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Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

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#1185087 28-Nov-2014 18:53

mdooher:
afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

A.

Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

The conduit end is not sealed?

Where does the rainwater end up once it enters the conduit?

Michael Skyrme - Instrumentation & Controls

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#1185089 28-Nov-2014 18:57

MikeSkyrme:
mdooher:
afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

A.

Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

The conduit end is not sealed?

Where does the rainwater end up once it enters the conduit?

What rain? It's Dunedin

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#1185249 29-Nov-2014 09:16

MikeSkyrme:
mdooher:
afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

A.

Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

The conduit end is not sealed?

Where does the rainwater end up once it enters the conduit?

It doesn't need to be sealed. The micro duct is undergrounder rated. The copper cables have sat in their 50mm conduits full of water for years it's not a problem.

With that install I have no issue with the 20mm conduit coming up that concrete face but why not just put conduit the whole way down the fence!?!?! Much more secure and way tidier.

Like I've said on countless threads now, the problem with Chorus is they have accountants in their product team. None of them have worked on the network a day in their life and have no clue the trouble this install method will cause.
I can't believe @InstallerUFB is sticking up for this delivery method. I guess he has to in an official capacity.

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#1185291 29-Nov-2014 10:20

All these people complaining about cost effective but not pretty installs need to remember who is paying for them.

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#1185339 29-Nov-2014 12:12

richms: All these people complaining about cost effective but not pretty installs need to remember who is paying for them.

Fair comment, but we may end up paying for them a second time if they clap out due to poor workmanship.

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#1185496 29-Nov-2014 16:04

mdooher:
InstallerUFB:
mdooher:
kiwikiwi:
lxsw20: All of a sudden an over head install doesn't seem so ugly.

Even my over head install is simple and easy.
What if someone was to hit that fence and break the cable? I'm sure a car won't hit a overhead cable. Honestly sure there are reasons but I don't think this justifies a fence install. Too many things could happen that could put too much liability. Over head install and if it goes down blame it on god.

In the old telecom days they never would have got away with an install like that. And fibre is a lot more delicate that the old twisted pair. The way I look at it if you cant run a telecom cable that way what makes you think you can run a fibre there? ... oh no I've got it...CONTRACTORS

Ok im going to bite on this one - in the old telecom days you would have gotten dial up and liked it - the network that this service was connected to would have be started to be installed (and paid for) approx 60yrs before you were connected and not a completely new network a few months before

- a copper service cable isnt as strong or durable as this microducting is anbd yes it isnt suitable to be run like this / As you have already said you have never seen an install of this type so how would you know the difference

and it is Chorus, the network owner, who have required the CONTRACTORS to install this material not the other way around

and with that I have said my piece about the method.

Apart form the poor installation of the materiials, my real concern about the OPs installation has nothing to do with the method but the lack on concent - which should be of the highest concern

Let me put it this way, micro ducting should not be used where you can touch it. Either should gel filled twisted pair. Just because some manager has decided that this sort do stuff Is suitable doesn't make it so. A good trained tech would refuse point blank to do a job like this. If I was told to do a job in this manner I would resign. This tells me that the contractor in this case was untrained unscrupulous or both. Fortunately in my area our guys are pretty good.

For some reason the lack of consent doesn't concern me... Possibly because if it happened to me I would have screwed them to the wall and enjoyed it.

A friend of mine said something that rung true when he saw this, he said, "Looks like it was done by a sky installer"

Meanwhile back in the real world... You get what Chorus pay for. if Chorus instruct an over ground install then it's not the contractors responsibility. An underground install will cost a lot more than an overground install but if the contractor isn't being paid to do one why would they? If they did they would rapidly go broke.

If the install has not been done within the quality acceptable to Chorus (eg the screws that stick out too far) then that's clearly the contractors responsibility. If it's installed within spec then the issue lies with the people who wrote the spec. Ranting about contractors being responsible for this type of install is ignorance of the reality of contracting - if you get paid to do a B grade job you do a B grade job. This is typical in New Zealand because commercial contracts are generally let to the company with the lowest price rather than being well evaluated.

The sky analogy is valid though. They pay peanuts for installation and so get monkey installs.

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#1185497 29-Nov-2014 16:07

chevrolux:
MikeSkyrme:
mdooher:
afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

A.

Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

The conduit end is not sealed?

Where does the rainwater end up once it enters the conduit?

It doesn't need to be sealed. The micro duct is undergrounder rated. The copper cables have sat in their 50mm conduits full of water for years it's not a problem.

With that install I have no issue with the 20mm conduit coming up that concrete face but why not just put conduit the whole way down the fence!?!?! Much more secure and way tidier.

Like I've said on countless threads now, the problem with Chorus is they have accountants in their product team. None of them have worked on the network a day in their life and have no clue the trouble this install method will cause.
I can't believe @InstallerUFB is sticking up for this delivery method. I guess he has to in an official capacity.

If you read his posts carefully he isn't sticking up for the method of delivery. He is saying it is an approved method of delivery by Chorus. They are two different things.

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#1185506 29-Nov-2014 17:25

chevrolux:
MikeSkyrme:
mdooher:
afe66: Pit street,about two house uphill from the intersection with Elder Street.

I think its an upstairs flat so drilling the concrete could be fun and you'd wonder about weakening the slab to which the fence is attached..

A.

Hmm so a student flat with a tricky install and probably a picky landlord...mind you, I wonder how the existing lines are run

Actually just had a look on Google Street View, considering where the Sky dish is on the front flat I don't think anyone will be worried...

The conduit end is not sealed?

Where does the rainwater end up once it enters the conduit?

It doesn't need to be sealed. The micro duct is undergrounder rated. The copper cables have sat in their 50mm conduits full of water for years it's not a problem.

With that install I have no issue with the 20mm conduit coming up that concrete face but why not just put conduit the whole way down the fence!?!?! Much more secure and way tidier.

Like I've said on countless threads now, the problem with Chorus is they have accountants in their product team. None of them have worked on the network a day in their life and have no clue the trouble this install method will cause.
I can't believe @InstallerUFB is sticking up for this delivery method. I guess he has to in an official capacity.

Hi Chevrolux (Chevvy powered Toyota...?),
I wasn't concerned about the microduct, or the cables (gel filled), more a query of where the water eventually ends up. I am referring to capillary action, and the way in which water eventually always finds its way into where it is least desired.

Michael Skyrme - Instrumentation & Controls

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#1185561 29-Nov-2014 20:09

Handle9: Meanwhile back in the real world... You get what Chorus pay for....

“As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder.”
― John Glenn

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#1185584 29-Nov-2014 21:51

If the customer wants the ONT in that location, and its the groundfloor of a 2 floor place then yes, that would be acceptable. Sky and chorus do surface runs all the time for cables its just a shame that this is black not white.

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#1185585 29-Nov-2014 21:51

eth: Saw this on the Chorus Facebook Page:

To all those who have had fibre installed - is this normal to have cords drilled to run along the walls? I am wondering how everyone else copes with having visible cords in their house. If this is the way of the future with fibre, shouldn't there be a better way to install it?

Who in their right mind would let anyone do this to their house?

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#1185586 29-Nov-2014 21:52

eth: Saw this on the Chorus Facebook Page:

To all those who have had fibre installed - is this normal to have cords drilled to run along the walls? I am wondering how everyone else copes with having visible cords in their house. If this is the way of the future with fibre, shouldn't there be a better way to install it?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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#1185587 29-Nov-2014 21:52

Oops - accidentally deleted my original post:

While we are on the topic of Chorus installs, I saw this on the Chorus Facebook Page:

To all those who have had fibre installed - is this normal to have cords drilled to run along the walls? I am wondering how everyone else copes with having visible cords in their house. If this is the way of the future with fibre, shouldn't there be a better way to install it?

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