Paying for early UFB connection

Forums › New Zealand Broadband › Paying for early UFB connection

meesham

973 posts

Ultimate Geek

#159848 14-Dec-2014 22:50

I live in Opoho, Dunedin and won't be getting UFB rolled out in my area until July 2018 to June 2019. There's a main street through the suburb where fibre has already been run to get to the local school although no houses on the way are able to be connected yet, I live on a side street with my property 70 metres from the fibre. Do any of the ISP or Chorus reps here know if it's possible to pay for early an connection? I know it won't be cheap, I'm just wondering if it's an option as I'm a software developer who works from home and my business could probably justify the cost (if it's in 4 digits), it would still be cheaper and easier than moving house or renting an office in the middle of town for the next 4 years. I'm currently on ADSL2 and mostly need it for the upstream.

nakedmolerat

4629 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1197492 14-Dec-2014 22:54

What about vdsl?

Looking at the other thread. It seems like it will be in the 20 - 30k mark?

InstallerUFB

840 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1197496 14-Dec-2014 23:15

I would say that the fibre cable you are reffering to is dedicated to the school off the main fibre network/s out of the NVY exchange and isnt a UFB cable specificaly (except for this purpose as part of Chorus contract to have schools connectable by an agreed date) / I would how ever suspect if you were willing to pay (as has been noted in the 5 figures) then you could also get a dedicated connection from the exchange.

The first line of enquiry for you would be with your RSP ( seek contact with their busines fibre people) to see what solutions they and Chorus can come up with for you.

Just a note - proxsimity to the actual cable dosent mean you can just connect into it - joints are made at specific locations were loops may have been left to add fibre joint closures to it if required - any spur fibre cables would go back to these points ( sometimes there are no loops left when the cables are halled in as they are not normaly left in smaller cable sizes)

Even though a cable, such as these that go to the schools, may have multipule fibres in them - more tham likely only the 1 or 2 fibres required at the end are spliced all the way through for a specific task. The rest are left as future proofing if they are required and are only then spliced in to the main cables, so there isnt 'spare' fibre circuits as such just waiting to be used by someone else.

meesham

973 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1197499 14-Dec-2014 23:35

nakedmolerat: What about vdsl?

Looking at the other thread. It seems like it will be in the 20 - 30k mark?

No VDSL available unfortunately, too far from the exchange (I get around 11-12Mb/s on ADSL2). Sorry but my Google-fu is failing, could you please point me to the other thread.

InstallerUFB: I would say that the fibre cable you are reffering to is dedicated to the school off the main fibre network/s out of the NVY exchange and isnt a UFB cable specificaly (except for this purpose as part of Chorus contract to have schools connectable by an agreed date) / I would how ever suspect if you were willing to pay (as has been noted in the 5 figures) then you could also get a dedicated connection from the exchange.

The first line of enquiry for you would be with your RSP ( seek contact with their busines fibre people) to see what solutions they and Chorus can come up with for you.

Just a note - proxsimity to the actual cable dosent mean you can just connect into it - joints are made at specific locations were loops may have been left to add fibre joint closures to it if required - any spur fibre cables would go back to these points ( sometimes there are no loops left when the cables are halled in as they are not normaly left in smaller cable sizes)

Even though a cable, such as these that go to the schools, may have multipule fibres in them - more tham likely only the 1 or 2 fibres required at the end are spliced all the way through for a specific task. The rest are left as future proofing if they are required and are only then spliced in to the main cables, so there isnt 'spare' fibre circuits as such just waiting to be used by someone else.

Thanks for the info, I obviously have no idea how it works :) Unfortunately I don't think I can justify 20K plus. I have 2 small kids so maybe a small office in town is the way to go anyway. I floated the idea of moving to a fibre area last night with my wife and it wasn't met with a warm reception, she loves the area we're in.

TLD

902 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1197501 14-Dec-2014 23:43

I asked the Chorus guy the same question when he installed our VDSL2. We are only 450 metres from the cabinet, and there is a telephone pit just outside our garden, so I was thinking they could simply bring UFB directly from there. Apparently it is not that simple. They would need to put a new cabinet where the above mentioned pit is, and with it only serving 15 properties, he said don't hold your breath. He didn't come right out and say it's never going to happen, but that's what I was hearing.

However, we have gone from 1.5/.6 to 33/6.5 since the VDSL2 went in, which for all practicable purposes [1], is fast enough.

[1] That I can think of.

Incidentally, while I said we are only 450m from the cabinet, it appears the phone cable gets to our house after going down one side of the close I live at the end of, and back up the other. My ADSL2 modem stats put me at just over a kilometer from the cabinet. What are your stats?

Trevor Dennis
Rapaura (near Blenheim)

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#1197517 15-Dec-2014 06:07

In this situation it sounds like P2P fibre *may* be a possible option.

Install would certainly be in the 5 figures, not 4, and I'd pick somewhere close to $1.5k per month minimum for a 100Mbps connection (which would be CIR as that's what P2P offers).

plambrechtsen

1948 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#1197582 15-Dec-2014 09:19

Or as it is the easiest way to explain to non-technical folks.

Chorus have built a 200 lane highway running right in front of your house. What you are asking for is an off-ramp to be built from that highway. Whereas in the next few years they are going to be building a new regional motorway with offramps at everyones houses to their curb.

Strangely enough tapping into the highway and building a personal offramp is going to cost a whole lot more, so bring your wallet and be prepared to open it.

meesham

973 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1197711 15-Dec-2014 13:02

Thanks everyone, it was worth finding out if it was an option. At 4 figures I could pass the costs onto a couple of projects I'm working on but once it gets to $10K plus it's too expensive. I kind of took a punt when buying this house, Opoho wasn't scheduled when we bought it but the neighbouring suburbs have either been done or being done at the moment so I figured we'd be early.

@TLD - Unfortunately VDSL definitely isn't an option, I've spoken with both Snap and Orcon (including FlameBeard, an Orcon rep here who was very helpful), my line quality and distance doesn't make it possible.

Equinox IT

Cloud spending continues to surge globally, but most organisations haven’t made the changes necessary to maximise the value and cost-efficiency benefits of their cloud investments. Download the whitepaper From Overspend to Advantage now.

mme

161 posts

Master Geek

#1199507 17-Dec-2014 20:30

We live in Napier and recently moved to a location outside of the UFB Area (no planned area anyway) and we got quoted by the local ISP (NOWNZ) around 15k to get Fibre to the property as currently the property is too far away for ADSL2+ even. So yea its not cheap unfortunately.

raytaylor

4014 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#1202379 23-Dec-2014 00:19

@mme- send me a pm/message

@meesham - Talk to your local WISP which usually can offer high speed uploads.
http://www.wic.co.nz/officeplans.php - 5x faster uploads than your DSL will provide.

Ray Taylor

There is no place like localhost

Spreadsheet for Comparing Electricity Plans Here

hio77

12999 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

Lizard Networks

#1202385 23-Dec-2014 00:43

raytaylor: @meesham - Talk to your local WISP which usually can offer high speed uploads.
http://www.wic.co.nz/officeplans.php - 5x faster uploads than your DSL will provide.

Unlimited 5/5 wireless? thats quite an interesting one to see.

#include <std_disclaimer>

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.