30/10 Chorus UFB speed increase?

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#179236 1-Sep-2015 11:04

The internet felt a bit quicker than normal today, so did a quick speedtest:

That was over wifi, and previously even over a wired connection was never getting over 29/9.5:

Has there been a recent change to over-provision the 30/10 plan?

I'm on Spark UFB in Auckland.

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#1377613 1-Sep-2015 11:04

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#1377636 1-Sep-2015 11:22

You're honestly expecting us to believe you can "feel a difference" between 28.5Mb/s and 31.6Mb/s?

I'm Confused.

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#1377638 1-Sep-2015 11:25

Like noticing the difference between running 95 or 98 octane fuel in your car

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#1377653 1-Sep-2015 11:47

johnr: Like noticing the difference between running 95 or 98 octane fuel in your car

That's easy enough to tell in some cars, others not so. 29mbps vs 31mbps is not really discernable without a specific measurement or test imo :P

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#1377656 1-Sep-2015 11:53

In my experience, OOKLA speed tests are approximate and never the same twice, even if taken only seconds apart.
Which is what you'd expect on a system with continuously varying traffic.

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#1377676 1-Sep-2015 12:07

Inphinity:
johnr: Like noticing the difference between running 95 or 98 octane fuel in your car

That's easy enough to tell in some cars, others not so. 29mbps vs 31mbps is not really discernable without a specific measurement or test imo :P

It's been proven not possible

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#1377678 1-Sep-2015 12:10

johnr:

It's been proven not possible

Differentiating 95 to 98? In some cars it certainly is. In most production cars it's not. But we're getting off-topic. My upstream bandwidth just dropped by 42bps so I better slow down...

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#1377679 1-Sep-2015 12:10

You're going way off topic, but you're saying a car that is tuned for 100 octane (Pretty much any JDM performance car) won't pull back timing when you're running a lower octane fuel? I guess 91 makes no difference either then and the knocking notice you can quite clearly hear when you run a high CR car is not an issue?

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#1377683 1-Sep-2015 12:13

You've probably been moved from the Bitstream 2 to the Bitstream 2a profile from Chorus (assuming you're on Chorus). And since you're with Spark it probably happened when you moved to a Voice over Fibre line??

The Layer 2 speeds of the 30/10 plan is actually 33/11. So that should give you a Layer 3 speed of 30/10.

Since there were a number of complaints about why customers on 30/10 couldn't get an actual 30/10 speed test. Then the whole Layer 2 vs Layer 3 conversation comes in an 99.99% of customers eyes glaze over.

If you order 30/10 you get 33/11 Layer 2
100/20 you get 110/22
100/100 you get 110/115
200/20 you get 217/22
200/200 you get 217/230

It's a long story about why the upstream is higher... But that is what it is.

The 100/50 plan is a Bitstream 2 plan, which isn't actively offered by many ISPs since it's more expensive than the BS2a plan. Hence why that speed seemed to disappear from most ISPs when the 100/20 came out.

I'm sure there is a document on CFH talking all about Bitstream 2 vs Bitstream 2a plans somewhere.

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#1377690 1-Sep-2015 12:24

lxsw20: You're going way off topic, but you're saying a car that is tuned for 100 octane (Pretty much any JDM performance car) won't pull back timing when you're running a lower octane fuel? I guess 91 makes no difference either then and the knocking notice you can quite clearly hear when you run a high CR car is not an issue?

I am speaking about joe average modern production fuel injected road cars not something that needs 100 octane

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#1377725 1-Sep-2015 12:47

I believe this came about thanks to James of InspireNET who lambasted some chorus management about creating "right performing" UFB plans that werent so picky about PPPoE and throttling overheads. I didnt understand what he was on about at the time but it seems to have made a difference as I have noticed since ordering chorus ufb tails that they perform slightly better than spec. Though that could also be because we dont use PPPoE

It may be perhaps that you have been changed to a right performing profile.

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#1377726 1-Sep-2015 12:49

No over-clocking that we can see in Chorus connections. We do see it in Enable though, with 3 out of 10 Snap connections that I can find which are running about 31Mb/s.

Here is our plot of Spark 30/10 - Three of which are Enable connections - BTW there are 9 lines in the chart representing 9 panelists, most are under the 28Mb/s top colour.

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#1377766 1-Sep-2015 13:45

johnr:
Inphinity:
johnr: Like noticing the difference between running 95 or 98 octane fuel in your car

That's easy enough to tell in some cars, others not so. 29mbps vs 31mbps is not really discernable without a specific measurement or test imo :P

It's been proven not possible

Wrong John... it's not always possible but it IS possible in some cases. On my lotus replica for example, the tune is specifically for 98, and if I put 95 in it, it's noticably different. That's not a production vehicle example for sure - but it's an example where in at least one case, I know it's different.

In some turbo vehicles as well, there's a measurable difference in power between 95 and 98.

For most Normally aspirated, non sports cars, it will be difficult or impossible to tell the difference.

and 28.5 to 31.x... hahahahaha. There not a chance that the bandwidth difference will be able to be "felt"... Now... There are other changes which could be felt but I don't think they have been done.

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#1377799 1-Sep-2015 15:41

It honestly did feel quicker

I agreed to move over to a Voice over Fibre plan last week but the tech hasn't been round yet for the wiring change. I know there is over-provisioning on the higher speed plans but this is the first time I've seen it on my 30/10 plan.

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#1377988 2-Sep-2015 00:49

jonb: It honestly did feel quicker

I agreed to move over to a Voice over Fibre plan last week but the tech hasn't been round yet for the wiring change. I know there is over-provisioning on the higher speed plans but this is the first time I've seen it on my 30/10 plan.

Probably a tail wind... Give it a few days and the prevailing westerly will be back, and your broadband will return to Normal.

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