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Topic # 194943 31-Mar-2016 10:21

So it looks like the UFB upgrade is well underway along our street in Palmy. I thought I would prepare our home for the install although I’m not quite sure how to proceed.

The existing wiring seems pretty good, Cat5 & 5e in a star config from a reasonably central cupboard where my master splitter, modem and router currently sit.

The issue for me is the distance from the current telecom conduit and demarc point at the end of the garage to the router. I have estimated that at least 30m of cable will be required.

Should I run Cat6 from the current demarc to the network cupboard and have the ONT installed inside the garage on the wall next to the demarc? Or, should I try and get a roll of fibre cable so that the ONT could then be installed next to my router where my adsl modem is currently? I’m assuming any interior fibre I run can be spliced with the cable from the street…..

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edit:formatting went nuts!

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Reply # 1523178 31-Mar-2016 10:25

If it were me I would have the ONT and Router in the garage, and run a switch and Wifi access point from your central cupboard. so you sill need a decent gigabit cable from the garage to the cupboard

I would say that 30m of hybrid cable(fibre and copper cable) from the ETP to the ONT if it were in the cupboard would incur a cost to you

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Reply # 1523193 31-Mar-2016 10:50

Thanks for the reply. I'm more than happy to pay for hybrid or fibre cable as my preference would be to have the ONT in the cupboard. I just wasn't sure what the installers would allow me to do with regards to internal runs of fibre cable.

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Reply # 1523229 31-Mar-2016 11:14

the street fibre goes to the ETP (External Termination point) and from there generally its split to a hybrid fibre cable which allows the phone wiring to be run back from the ONT/RGW to the ETP to be connected to the back into the houses wiring.

If everything is in the cupboard then they might be able to run the fibre all the way there

@installerUFB might be able to answer some of your questions as he does this stuff and is also in palmy

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Reply # 1523232 31-Mar-2016 11:26

They tend to use Cate6e or something to run from demarc to ONT I thought. I had a change in location with our tech, and to make life easier I said I'd run it under the house so he didn't have to.

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Reply # 1523247 31-Mar-2016 11:33

davidcole:

They tend to use Cate6e or something to run from demarc to ONT I thought. I had a change in location with our tech, and to make life easier I said I'd run it under the house so he didn't have to.

the ONT needs a fibre input

The cat cable is either to feed the RGW or for back feeding the phone lines

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Reply # 1523261 31-Mar-2016 11:55

You're either going to have a copper cable (Cat6) if you have the ONT in your garage or a hybrid (Cat6+fibre) cable if you have the ONT in your network cupboard.

Would you be able to run 30 metres of conduit from your garage to the cupboard (complete with a draw string) to allow for either option?

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Reply # 1523262 31-Mar-2016 11:55

It doesn't look as though I can buy the hybrid composite cable anywhere. Maybe the best option would be to pre-install an hdpe conduit observing bend ratios?

There is no under-house access and the roof is a difficult crawl space only so I can't expect the ufb installer to place the ONT in my cupboard as part of a routine install.

Edit: I just missed DarthKermit's post :)

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Reply # 1523295 31-Mar-2016 12:47

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Reply # 1523304 31-Mar-2016 13:05

Before or after I make a mess?

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Reply # 1523305 31-Mar-2016 13:11

Having the ONT separate from the main distribution is just annoying - means you need two UPS's for starters. As per DarthKermit, get some conduit in place (with no bends or flexi) with a draw wire in it from ETP to where you want the ONT and the installers will have no issue with that.

Obviously there are reasons why you would have the ONT separate but if there is the ability to run a Cat5e/6 cable then there is the ability to run the hybrid fibre cable.

The easier you make it for the installers the more they will be willing to do for you.

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Reply # 1523329 31-Mar-2016 13:26

Would 20mm alkathene water pipe be suitable? Ive used it before for cat5e not knowing whether it was suitable or not.......

There was some ribbed flexi elsewhere in the roof space which was difficult to draw stuff through so I'm keen to avoid that disaster again. As far as bends go, I can do a gentle bend for the longest run, but how should I angle down from roofspace to wall? Feel free to tell me that I should be calling in professionals and not annoying forum members for free advice :)

And thanks for the help everyone!

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Reply # 1523333 31-Mar-2016 14:11

I'd use 20 mm electrical grey conduit, available from the likes of Bunnings in 4 metre lengths. For bends, you can buy 20 mm sweep bends that have a large radius.

I'm also in Palmy, if you wanted a hand with install as I'm looking for a bit of extra work.

I wired up our house for UFB and we had it installed in Feb.

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Reply # 1523422 31-Mar-2016 15:39

Thanks. I'm keen to give it a go myself, although if I run into problems or out of time I'll pm you :)

Been looking forward to UFB for a while now, hopefully things will go smoothly!

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Reply # 1523498 31-Mar-2016 18:29

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20mm water pipe (the grey stuff) is perfect. The key with it is to make sure it is secured along the run. When it is free to wobble it makes it really hard to rod (with a cable rat or cable rod).
As for bend just make sure it does nice big sweeping bends. So when it gets to thelp point where it needs to come down the wall just let the 'sweeping' happen all up in the roof space and then bring it straight down the wall.

The installers in Palmy are probably some of the best on the country - Just ask @InstallerUFB haha

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Reply # 1523524 31-Mar-2016 19:38

Thanks for the Support :-)

You are right - you cant just go and buy the hybrid cable we use as it forms part of the Chorus network when we are done and as such is controlled (performance standards , service guarantee etc - contractual obligations on the installers etc etc etc)

Anyway back to the question - best option is a pre-installed pathway - be it 16/20mm electrical conduit with large radius bends or continuous 16mm water pipe or the like - secured along its path and with a draw string pre-installed if possible.

The installers will then just run the hybrid cable through it.

Don't worry about going all the way to the ETP as additional work either to replace the existing one or add another one has to be done at the time of the install and the installers will be able to sort out any aditional conduiting that may be required to get to the end of you conduit.

any additional questions just ask?

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