ISPs that don't use CG-NAT

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#261737 12-Dec-2019 13:13

1 year ago, I switched from Vodafone to MyRepublic because of cost. I heard so many bad experiences with MyRepublic but so far I didn't experience any of those. I switched even checking. As a consequence, I can't use my web server for almost a year now. I thought of going back to 2degrees but I saw that they now implemented CG-NAT. I saw some threads discussing CG-NAT but I just want to know if there's an updated list of ISPs that don't use CG-NAT.

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I don't want to pay extra just for public IP. My current plan is Myrepublic UFB 200/20 - 62.99/month
Decent connection. I get connection hiccups sometimes but very minimal.

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#2374230 12-Dec-2019 13:18

Spark/Skinny/Bigpipe (all owned by Spark) definitely don't. There are others but the majority of providers now do use CGNat by default.

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#2374233 12-Dec-2019 13:37

MyRep charges $10pm for static ip, as you are probably aware (I assume thats the same as public ip but I know nowt about that kind of stuff).

I get you don't want to pay extra but also doubt you'll find anything cheaper, not that I've looked.

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#2374234 12-Dec-2019 13:39

Yes. I just searched now and seems still cheaper to just add 10/mo from them. Cheers!

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#2374239 12-Dec-2019 13:47

Bigpipe only charge a one off fee of $45 for a static IP.

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#2374315 12-Dec-2019 15:50

With Bigpipe with a Static IP (one off fee to provision) non cg-nat issues which unless you get a Static IP all ISPs will eventually have to do due to IPV4 allocation becoming exhausted

CG nat is only an issue for IPSEC VPNs and geeks like us who run servers at home

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#2374325 12-Dec-2019 16:11

While Trustpower do use CGNAT by default on some plans, you can request a Public Dynamic IP for Free (Via Webchat/Call Centre) or a Static IP for $5 per month.

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#2374361 12-Dec-2019 17:20

nztim: With Bigpipe with a Static IP (one off fee to provision) non cg-nat issues which unless you get a Static IP all ISPs will eventually have to do due to IPV4 allocation becoming exhausted

CG nat is only an issue for IPSEC VPNs and geeks like us who run servers at home

This is inaccurate as the larger ISPs (Spark & Vodafone) have plenty of IP so unless the significant increase in the NZ population there won't be a problem for many years to come or ever.

Vodafone and Spark will probably never run out of IPv4 but they charge $10 per month for a Static IP.

I'm fairly sure both Bigpipe and Voyager offer a Static IP for a one off cost.

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#2374405 12-Dec-2019 18:47

Slingshot is Not CG-NAT

IPs are public and very sticky. I've had the same IP for the last three years at least.

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#2374407 12-Dec-2019 18:57

Senecio:

Bigpipe only charge a one off fee of $45 for a static IP.

Stuff charge $50

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#2374409 12-Dec-2019 19:08

djtOtago:

Slingshot is Not CG-NAT

IPs are public and very sticky. I've had the same IP for the last three years at least.

It's all the gum @sounddude has stuck in there..

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#2378106 18-Dec-2019 23:25

Most ISPs will be looking at some sort of CG-NAT for v4 dual stacked with IPv6 as their future pathway.

IPv4 has indeed now run out and so ISPs cant get any more except on the reseller market. Pricing is high enough that its not worth it - CG-NAT is cheaper than buying blocks of IPv4.

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#2379778 22-Dec-2019 09:45

I would be happy just with a dynamic IP.

It is allowing P2P and configuring a dynamic domain name is not a rocket science.

CG-NAT is an evil. Providers that are using it should be named and shamed.

I'm looking forward for the end of my contract with 2D to switch to other RSP.

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#2379820 22-Dec-2019 10:08

spoonboy:

I would be happy just with a dynamic IP.

It is allowing P2P and configuring a dynamic domain name is not a rocket science.

CG-NAT is an evil. Providers that are using it should be named and shamed.

I'm looking forward for the end of my contract with 2D to switch to other RSP.

I'm curious why you think CG-NAT is evil - the simple reality is for 99.9% of Internet users it makes zero difference, and actually offers some significant benefits without people realising such as improving their security presence online.

Why have you not just asked 2D for a dynamic public IP? They've giving them for free if you ask and it would save you all the stress of having to change providers.

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#2379829 22-Dec-2019 10:48

Hi, as Steve says, whats so evil with CG-Nat, I see this brought up time and time again. For 99% of folk they will not and do not know the difference, as most folk only use applications creating outbound connections.

I have seen some folk imply CG-Nat increases latency and lowers throughput, this is complete and utter rubbish, typically the hardware ISPs use to run CG-Nat are designed to do this without impact.

As for those that do want a public IP, you dont need to pay for a static, just request a dynamic and run a dynamic dns service within you network, problem solved.

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#2379836 22-Dec-2019 11:06

cyril7: As for those that do want a public IP, you dont need to pay for a static, just request a dynamic and run a dynamic dns service within you network, problem solved.

Is a free dynamic IP an option anywhere that primarily uses CGNAT?

Most of the "I need a static IP" comments I've seen around are from people who see the options as CGNAT or static, which matches my personal observation that once an ISP rolls out CGNAT your options seem to be paying for a static IP or being stuck being CGNAT.

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