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chaoscreater

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#28761 10-Dec-2008 19:27
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Hi all, i don't know much about internet so plz give me some advice. I am currently on XTRA GO Large and i went to www.speedtest.net and my average speed is 3534kb/sec.

I am using Dlink DSL-G604T router. I think i have a filter installed, but im not exactly sure wot it is, is it this box that mounts on the wall where the phone line is, and then you can connect your phone line and your ADSL line to it so that u can use internet and home phone at the same time?

Anyway i usually download at 160kb/sec on average, and i wanna increase it to at least 250kb/sec, coz most ppl have it at that speed or even higher......i live in Auckland btw so i should be getting a good speed compare to the rest of the regions in NZ, but it's just slow for me.

Go Large plan is suppose to be max speed and unlimited, but it doesn't feel like it's the max speed.....and AFAIK, most ppl left Go Large ages ago and since it's not available anymore to people who quit the plan, i thought the speed should be decent at least around 200kb/sec + coz not many ppl use it now.....

So ya plz give me some advice on how i can improve my internet speed.

Oh and should i turn interleaving off?


And btw, is ADSL2 worth getting? Im not exactly sure wot it is, except that it's the 2nd generation of ADSL lol...


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H4ppy
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  #183373 10-Dec-2008 19:37
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Hi, First off, I'm new, so someone might very well come along and tell you to ignore everything I say (if they do listen to them).

Firstly, do you use a download manager? EG FlashGet or Download Accelerator? They can make a MASSIVE difference in speed for file downloads (to download from gpdownloads.com with 1 stream I can get 140kbps tops, with FlashGet set to 10 I can go up to around 500kbps.)

Secondly, do you know how to use the Web Interface of your Router? Do you even have a Router or do you infact have another setup?

Thirdly, are you using wireless?


And last of all, yes that does sound like your ADSL Line Filter, AFAIK if you didn't have one on when you used the internet and phone at the same time the phone would have audio anomalies.

(It might look something like this?)

ADSL Line Filter

chaoscreater

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  #183374 10-Dec-2008 19:55
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H4ppy: Hi, First off, I'm new, so someone might very well come along and tell you to ignore everything I say (if they do listen to them).

Firstly, do you use a download manager? EG FlashGet or Download Accelerator? They can make a MASSIVE difference in speed for file downloads (to download from gpdownloads.com with 1 stream I can get 140kbps tops, with FlashGet set to 10 I can go up to around 500kbps.)

Secondly, do you know how to use the Web Interface of your Router? Do you even have a Router or do you infact have another setup?

Thirdly, are you using wireless?


And last of all, yes that does sound like your ADSL Line Filter, AFAIK if you didn't have one on when you used the internet and phone at the same time the phone would have audio anomalies.

(It might look something like this?)

ADSL Line Filter


thank you for ur reply, yes i do use Flashget. I have a rapidshare premium account and i download stuff all the time and it's always around 80kb/sec, in my first post i said that it's around 160kb/sec average, but that's only only during midday, as i tend to use my PC more at night, which is during peak hours, i usually get 80kb/sec or 60kb/sec.

And what do you mean "With Flashget set to 10"??

And yes i do know how to use the web interface of my router, as i said in the first post, i already said i have a router and i even provided the model.....it's Dlink DSL-G604T......and i have a homestay living downstairs in my house and he is a programmer so he heleped me setup all the stuff necessary, but i know how to setup it as well myself.

I use both wireless & ethernet cable, and i have the proper ethernet cable btw and it's 1m, i understand that the longer the cable the worse the connection will be. My PC is just right next to my router and it should be getting a good connection.

And yup i do have the router, it looks like that but is a rectangular shape. Any other possible methods to improve internet GREATLY? I have a friend who downloads at 500kb/sec all the time, i envy that :(


and btw i'm using Windows XP SP2

 
 
 
 


JimmyLizar
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  #183382 10-Dec-2008 20:28
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You can read about ADSL2+ here.  There is also a checker that you type your address into and it will advise if ADSL2+ is available.

You should definitely get it if it is available.  I am pretty sure that router is ADSL2+ compatible, although it depends on which firmware version you have, check here to find out and download firmware updates if required.

ADSL2+ has a theoretical top speed of 24mbps whereas std ADSL is 8mbps.  Speeds can be effected by a no. of factors eg how far you are from the exchange, line quality etc.

You should log into your router and post up the sync, line attenuation & noise figures etc..so others reading has a basis to make comment....see example below (mine)

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 7616 kbps 896 kbps
Line Attenuation 8 db 2.5 db
Noise Margin 15 db 16 db

Remember also download speeds are only as good as the bandwith available on the server you are downloading from.





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chaoscreater

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  #183385 10-Dec-2008 20:49
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JimmyLizar: You can read about ADSL2+ here. There is also a checker that you type your address into and it will advise if ADSL2+ is available.

You should definitely get it if it is available. I am pretty sure that router is ADSL2+ compatible, although it depends on which firmware version you have, check here to find out and download firmware updates if required.

ADSL2+ has a theoretical top speed of 24mbps whereas std ADSL is 8mbps. Speeds can be effected by a no. of factors eg how far you are from the exchange, line quality etc.

You should log into your router and post up the sync, line attenuation & noise figures etc..so others reading has a basis to make comment....see example below (mine)

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 7616 kbps 896 kbps
Line Attenuation 8 db 2.5 db
Noise Margin 15 db 16 db

Remember also download speeds are only as good as the bandwith available on the server you are downloading from.



thx for ur reply, yes i do have the latest firmware for my router and here are my router readings, i dunno how to make a table like the one u did so i had to copy and paste and change the words, how did u make the table?

ItemDownstreamUpstream

Data Rate7547 kbps165 kbps

Line Attenuation29 db15 db

SNR Margin18 db39 db



oh and yup my router is ADSL2 compatible:

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eXDee
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  #183386 10-Dec-2008 20:51
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Post your line stats. The go large plan is heavily shaped by telecom, so you will never acheive your lines full potential. Changing plan should give you a boost in speed.

chaoscreater

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  #183387 10-Dec-2008 20:59
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I tried changing the ADSL Modulation Type to ADSL (Multi-Mode) and i think it's better, coz the data rate for downstream is higher, but im not sure if this is better or not.

ItemDownstreamUpstream

Data Rate7616 kbps160 kbps

Line Attenuation26 db16 db

SNR Margin14 db31 db

JimmyLizar
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  #183388 10-Dec-2008 21:10
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I just copied & pasted the table from my router, it came out perfect.  Lucky, I guess.

Sounds like exDee has found your problem...traffic shaping on your current plan. 

Looks like your plan also limits upload speed to 128kbps ....that right?




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chaoscreater

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  #183393 10-Dec-2008 21:36
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i don't know about my upload speed but ya i think it's 128kbps, but i only care about download speed....

should should i turn interleaving off and which one of the router readings i posted is better?

boby55
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  #183397 10-Dec-2008 22:03
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chaoscreater: i don't know about my upload speed but ya i think it's 128kbps, but i only care about download speed....

should should i turn interleaving off and which one of the router readings i posted is better?


To get the best Upload speeds possible, you will need fls upload as that is how adsl works. Unless you are a VERY large downloader I would recomend upgrading to a adsl 2 plan as this is max of 24mbps inted of 8mbps that standard adsl brings.


As Jimmy said GO LARGE is heavily shaped and telecom wants ppl off it. but as you download from http it seems your fine.

So if your after speed and your in a ADSL2 area I would upgrade plans.
But if your after big downloads no caps and don't mind waiting for your downloads to finish (what I would pick) then stay with Go Large

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  #183404 10-Dec-2008 22:18
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chaoscreater: i don't know about my upload speed but ya i think it's 128kbps, but i only care about download speed....


GoLarge upload speed is shaped to 128kbps, however your modem will sync at 160kbps to allow for overhead (unless someone from Telecom has changed it for you)

chaoscreater: should i turn interleaving off and which one of the router readings i posted is better?


Interleaving can't be removed on your current plan. Only the Xtra Pro plan, or Business plans can (which is off by default)

eXDee: The go large plan is heavily shaped by telecom, so you will never acheive your lines full potential. Changing plan should give you a boost in speed.


Right on the money.

Bottom line:
If you want decent anything faster than what you're currently getting, you'll need to choose a plan that isn't GoLarge.




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chaoscreater

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  #183405 10-Dec-2008 22:21
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boby55:
chaoscreater: i don't know about my upload speed but ya i think it's 128kbps, but i only care about download speed....

should should i turn interleaving off and which one of the router readings i posted is better?


To get the best Upload speeds possible, you will need fls upload as that is how adsl works. Unless you are a VERY large downloader I would recomend upgrading to a adsl 2 plan as this is max of 24mbps inted of 8mbps that standard adsl brings.


As Jimmy said GO LARGE is heavily shaped and telecom wants ppl off it. but as you download from http it seems your fine.

So if your after speed and your in a ADSL2 area I would upgrade plans.
But if your after big downloads no caps and don't mind waiting for your downloads to finish (what I would pick) then stay with Go Large


umm, i don't care about the best upload speed......i just want good download speed.....and wot's "fls upload"??

Ya i'm a very large downloader but my question isn't about whether i should stay with Go Large or upgrade to ADSL2, i'm asking what i can do to improve the download speed, such as turning interleaving off, or maybe do some registry tweaks or something.....coz i've done those before.

BTW i don't plan on going with ADSL2, it's too expensive for me. I'm happy with Go Large and ya i know of the traffic shaping thing but is there a way to make ur download speed better? Like maybe installing a certain thing in ur house or something? ANYTHING??

Anarkist
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  #183408 10-Dec-2008 22:26
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chaoscreater: Ya i'm a very large downloader but my question isn't about whether i should stay with Go Large or upgrade to ADSL2, i'm asking what i can do to improve the download speed, such as turning interleaving off, or maybe do some registry tweaks or something.....coz i've done those before.


Changing any setting on your computer isn't going to cause your ADSL to run faster.

chaoscreater: BTW i don't plan on going with ADSL2, it's too expensive for me. I'm happy with Go Large and ya i know of the traffic shaping thing but is there a way to make ur download speed better? Like maybe installing a certain thing in ur house or something? ANYTHING??


A splitter, or any changes to the line will only help if your physical connect rates are low (which they aren't).

There is no way you can escape or get around the shaping short of changing plans, as it's done within the ISPs network (not on your equipment).




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chaoscreater

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  #183413 10-Dec-2008 22:39
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well not really, there're some tools that actually bosted my internet such as SpeedConnect Internet Accelerator 7.5, it really boosted quite a bit and even tweaking some registry settings helped.

I forgot exactly what it is but i think it's something like a TCP connections or something, the default setting is like 10, so by changing it to like 100, u gain more connections or something.....

it's also a bit like how you tweak settings for programs like Utorrent, where u might use port forwarding etc to boost the speed....

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honem
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  #183430 11-Dec-2008 00:09
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chaoscreater: well not really, there're some tools that actually bosted my internet such as SpeedConnect Internet Accelerator 7.5, it really boosted quite a bit and even tweaking some registry settings helped.


That's about tweaking the maximum transferable unit you can download. While it might give you a speed improvement I don't think it will be stellar. It's a setting specific to your computer.


it's also a bit like how you tweak settings for programs like Utorrent, where u might use port forwarding etc to boost the speed....


Well you could traffic shape things if you modem has QOS. Basically it's all about denying certain programs bandwidth so the torrents get more. Note that with torrents the faster your upload speed is the more likely you'll get a decent download speed. Has to do with how the bit torrent protocol works - the more you share the more connections you get (I think).

But none of this will matter if you're on the Go Large plan. On that plan , with Telecom they will traffic shape you. It is done using your IP address and what ports are getting the data. P2P Protocols don't get as high a priority on traffic as say web or mail gets. They trained us on this when I was working at Telecom.

Hmmm I wonder if changing the port Bit torrent uses could fool the traffic shaping ? Nuhhh i don't think so - they people you are downloading from will not of changed the port they are uploading through. Telecom could still flag that incoming data as P2P traffic and shape it accordingly.




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