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Topic # 58816 19-Mar-2010 20:18
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I'm sooooo happy.

So much for CSR's at Telecom knowing what they are talking about.  Told me that because I was 4k from exchange that my speed would not increase much.



 





Uptime:
0 days, 10:43:32





DSL Type:
G.992.5 annex A





Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:
956 / 23.053





Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]:
0,00 / 0,00





Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]:
12,5 / 0,0





Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:
2,5 / 4,5





SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:
14,0 / 7,0





Vendor ID (Local/Remote):
TMMB / IKNS





Loss of Framing (Local/Remote):
20 / 0





Loss of Signal (Local/Remote):
3 / 0





Loss of Power (Local/Remote):
0 / 0





Loss of Link (Remote):
0





Error Seconds (Local/Remote):
28 / 0





FEC Errors (Up/Down):
1 / 0





CRC Errors (Up/Down):
1 / 31





HEC Errors (Up/Down):
0 / 21




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  Reply # 309266 19-Mar-2010 20:25
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Your house much be right next to the cabinet. My speed issue was fixed couple of days ago as well.





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  Reply # 309267 19-Mar-2010 20:33
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That is a huge increase, lucky you, that is pretty much right on the limit of ADSL2+ as far as im aware




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  Reply # 309274 19-Mar-2010 20:58
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the new cabinet is less than 50m from my house.  Funny thing is the guys at Telecom told me that I was right on the edge of the exchange range before and was lucky to be gettin 1 Mb/s.  Attenuation has gone from 65 down to bugger all
 

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  Reply # 309284 19-Mar-2010 21:33
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Hes absolutely right being so far from the exchange means a long copper run so you would have been on the edge, with cabinetisation it shortens the copper length as your only going to the cabinet not the exchange hence the huge speed increase, this is the whole idea around Telecoms cabinetistation plans




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  Reply # 309312 19-Mar-2010 23:45
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Does Telecoms cabinetistation upgrades affect customers on Vodafones red network?

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  Reply # 309319 20-Mar-2010 05:50
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Customers connected by Telecom copper to alt LLU providers will see a difference if their copper line becomes cabinetised, the electronics has a impact on the perfomance on the line which will effect llu connections.

Thats why there is a lot talk around sub llu




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  Reply # 309452 20-Mar-2010 22:43
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simon14: Does Telecoms cabinetistation upgrades affect customers on Vodafones red network?


You line will be passed through the cabinet and still terminated on the exchange so you will not benefit. 

Your connection will probably actually be worse due to interference from the stronger signals that terminate on the cabinet.

Almost certianly Vodafone will have to change to you to one of their plans not on the red network so you are connected via the cabinet and don't suffer from these issues.

The commerce comission made a determination on sub loop unbundling (ie: Vodafone/Orcon/Telstra etc being able to put gear in the cabinet), however the pricing for backhaul transit from the cabinets to the exchange is very expensive and as a result no provider (Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telstra) has rolled out their own gear into cabinets.



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  Reply # 309454 20-Mar-2010 22:47
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Ragnor:
simon14: Does Telecoms cabinetistation upgrades affect customers on Vodafones red network?


You line will be passed through the cabinet and still terminated on the exchange so you will not benefit. 

Your connection will probably actually be worse due to interference from the stronger signals that terminate on the cabinet.

Almost certianly Vodafone will have to change to you to one of their plans not on the red network so you are connected via the cabinet and don't suffer from these issues.

The commerce comission made a determination on sub loop unbundling (ie: Vodafone/Orcon/Telstra etc being able to put gear in the cabinet), however the pricing for backhaul transit from the cabinets to the exchange is very expensive and as a result no provider (Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telstra) has rolled out their own gear into cabinets.




Well i'm no telecommunications genius, but that's a bit floppy isn't it?

Who do they have working at the commerce commission? A bunch of monkeys? That may actually be an insult to monkeys....

I'm actually with Slingshot on their Next Big Thing plan, i just know this is run over Vodafones Red network. Our area is being upgraded to a roadside cabinet by Dec 2010.... may have to look at joining a Slingshot wholesale plan to benefit.... probably the naked broadband plan.

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  Reply # 309478 21-Mar-2010 07:37
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I am also being upgraded to a roadside cabinet in Dec 2010




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  Reply # 309485 21-Mar-2010 08:54
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One key thing to remember here is that Telecom pay the same costs for backhaul from a cabinet as any other ISP would. While there may be some issues over these prices people need to remember Telecom don't get a free lunch, they are required to pay the same prices under their separation model.

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  Reply # 309486 21-Mar-2010 08:56
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Who do they have working at the commerce commission? A bunch of monkeys? That may actually be an insult to monkeys....


Maybe, and there is work to be done in this respect, they are a competitor regulator and watchdog, and I feel they may have misread this one somewhat, but lets hope they can sort it.

Basically the price Telecom was wanting to charge was 5-10x what you would pay for a CBD metro lan fibre connection, but dont forget that Telecom have not layed fibre just around lucrative commercial areas, they have layed reasonably high core count fibres to within 1-2km of 80% of dwellings in the land, not a cheap exercise and they want some payback for that.

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  Reply # 310006 22-Mar-2010 23:05
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Ragnor: The commerce comission made a determination on sub loop unbundling (ie: Vodafone/Orcon/Telstra etc being able to put gear in the cabinet), however the pricing for backhaul transit from the cabinets to the exchange is very expensive and as a result no provider (Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telstra) has rolled out their own gear into cabinets.

This is one of the many driving forces behind Telecom's cabinetisation programme, and has the result of appearing to be fair but stifling competition anyway. Unbundling is only economic where there is a large enough user base to pay for the backhaul costs, and I hope the new fibre rollouts take advantage of the longer reach and open access policies for the fibre rollout to make economy of scale possible for all competitors.




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cyril7:
Who do they have working at the commerce commission? A bunch of monkeys? That may actually be an insult to monkeys....


Maybe, and there is work to be done in this respect, they are a competitor regulator and watchdog, and I feel they may have misread this one somewhat, but lets hope they can sort it.

Basically the price Telecom was wanting to charge was 5-10x what you would pay for a CBD metro lan fibre connection, but dont forget that Telecom have not layed fibre just around lucrative commercial areas, they have layed reasonably high core count fibres to within 1-2km of 80% of dwellings in the land, not a cheap exercise and they want some payback for that.

Cyril

In the absence of any longer reach technology being offered by fibre companies, Telecom had the choice to stick with ADSL for their cabinetisation so there had to be lots of cabinets servicing small areas that are only economic for a monopoly service. I believe Telecom may oneday wish they had taken the opportunity to create a local-loop fibre monopoly in many areas, instead of letting Government finally catch up by sponsoring FibreCo consortiums. If the local FibreCo installs fibre to your place, they are likely to serve it from a location thats more centralised than some of the Telecom ADSL cabinets leaving Telecom with an obsolete network that is not designed with the objective of competing for backhaul.




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  Reply # 310892 24-Mar-2010 17:57
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sbiddle: One key thing to remember here is that Telecom pay the same costs for backhaul from a cabinet as any other ISP would. While there may be some issues over these prices people need to remember Telecom don't get a free lunch, they are required to pay the same prices under their separation model.


Telecom Retail pays Telecom Wholesale/Chorus, net effect for the Telecom group as a whole = no change.

Worse, if I recall correctly.... the the cost for the backhaul is split per provider in the the cabinet but not based on the number of users each provider has. 

ie: Backhaul cost / Number of providers in the cabinet = ISP X's share of the bill.

.. rather than:  Users for ISP X / Total Users in Cabinet * Backhaul cost = ISP X's share

Seems pretty favourable to Telecom to me.

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  Reply # 311155 25-Mar-2010 09:59
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For Telecom as a group it may be no different, each division has to make a profit, and not be seen to be anti-competitive.

Also, there would be tax implications around separating your business and having one side making a loss and the other side not - the IRD looks very seriously at these things.

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