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Topic # 8829 1-Aug-2006 12:13
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Unless I'm going blind I can't see any posts in here about Telecom's announcement re unconstrained speed plans by September. Anybody have any thoughts on this to share?

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  Reply # 43046 1-Aug-2006 12:17
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  Reply # 43061 1-Aug-2006 14:14

And where have you read September steve98? The only thing I see is "later this year"




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  Reply # 43066 1-Aug-2006 14:41
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Aloha: And where have you read September steve98? The only thing I see is "later this year"


To Quote Juha from Tony's blog "Telecom's talking about September".

I have also heard this, but I cant remeber where from, if I remeber I'll post any links.

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  Reply # 43072 1-Aug-2006 15:48
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Aloha: And where have you read September steve98? The only thing I see is "later this year"


I beg your pardon, I actually meant October. That is the timeframe set out by Mark Ratcliffe in his press release to the media and Telecom's wholesale customers on 25th July.

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  Reply # 43115 1-Aug-2006 23:21
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When will there be naked dsl tho? Thats the best part, means having multiple connections is also viable whereas with the $45 telecom tax on each of them its pointless.




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richms: When will there be naked dsl tho? Thats the best part, means having multiple connections is also viable whereas with the $45 telecom tax on each of them its pointless.



Not for a while, 2-3 year timeframe as the ComCom still has things  to investigate and Telecom has to organise space etc for other providers.. LOTS of stuff has to happen. But yea, was quoted in a few articles that its not expected for some time....

As Rachel Hunter once said... "It won't happen over night".................

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  Reply # 43257 3-Aug-2006 17:39
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Not for naked dsl, all they have to do is not sell me something that I dont want. Should be easier to offer that then dsl on a pstn line.




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  Reply # 43281 3-Aug-2006 23:25
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richms: Not for naked dsl, all they have to do is not sell me something that I dont want. Should be easier to offer that then dsl on a pstn line.


Just an interesting fact, Naked DSL is already available through Telecom Wholesale, which is what UBS is. Naked DSL is just not sold via retail.

I would credit who ever said that, but I can’t remember.

Personally Naked DSL is not a big concern for me, faster speeds would be nice, but I have a feeling that I will be one of the customers that will loose out on speed, but it doesn’t really bother me, as I’m not a big downloader, just do quite a bit of surfing =).


In regard to provisioning in general having a current line makes things easy, just hand over your phone number and get your request actioned, but with Naked DSL, suddenly your account number means a lot. 


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  Reply # 43288 4-Aug-2006 08:41
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steve98: I beg your pardon, I actually meant October. That is the timeframe set out by Mark Ratcliffe in his press release to the media and Telecom's wholesale customers on 25th July.


Chris Dyhrberg, Telecom's wholesale marketing guy, was talking September for the two new services. That's for both the RUBS with unconstrained downstream/128kbps upstream and the CUBS with unconstrained bit-rates in both directions.

Both service will be the same as the existing CUBS, with the speeds adjusted - voice line rental still needed, in other words, even though the government and the ComCom reckons access seekers should be able to buy RUBS without that. CUBS is of course a whole another kettle of fish that despite what Telecom says, has nothing to do with the regulated service.




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nzbnw:
richms: Not for naked dsl, all they have to do is not sell me something that I dont want. Should be easier to offer that then dsl on a pstn line.


Just an interesting fact, Naked DSL is already available through Telecom Wholesale, which is what UBS is. Naked DSL is just not sold via retail.



Actually, hang on...  Right now, UBS is not available to customers without a phone line.  So it means it's not even available through Telecom wholesale.  Think about it.  A customer with no phone line activated (though it's connected to the network), goes to his/her ISP, and asks for a UBS internet connection.  ISP fills in a request, to Telecom.  And what happens???  Telecom rejects service request, on the basis that there is no phone line connected and activated....

Which means, that DSL is not available through Telecom wholesale to ISPs, if their customers do not have a phone line.  How is that naked DSL?

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jesseycy:Just an interesting fact, Naked DSL is already available through Telecom Wholesale, which is what UBS is. Naked DSL is just not sold via retail.


Actually, hang on... Right now, UBS is not available to customers without a phone line. So it means it's not even available through Telecom wholesale. Think about it. A customer with no phone line activated (though it's connected to the network), goes to his/her ISP, and asks for a UBS internet connection. ISP fills in a request, to Telecom. And what happens??? Telecom rejects service request, on the basis that there is no phone line connected and activated....

Which means, that DSL is not available through Telecom wholesale to ISPs, if their customers do not have a phone line. How is that naked DSL?


Because Telecom was allowed to - and I don't know why this is - to call its commercial L2TP DSL UBS, there's a lot of confusion as to what's what.

The Commercial UBS, or CUBS, is not not "naked DSL". However, the Regulated UBS, or RUBS, can be bought without the voice component according to the Commerce Commission and the government. What's the problem then? Well, due to the incredibly convoluted and slow regulatory process, there is still no RUBS around for any access seeker.

Callplus and Ihug are meant to get RUBS by October 26 the latest, but why they would want to build a service offering with only 128kbit/s upstream when everyone else resells CUBS with unlimited upstream isn't apparent. Furthermore, the RUBS costs more wholesale than CUBS costs retail, so Callplus and Ihug have gone to the High Court to sort that one out.

The above illustrates the kind of mess that I believe the government now is trying to sort out with the new regulation.




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