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#166301 9-Mar-2015 08:54
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I suspect my PC has a strange little fault causing data corruption, so I'd like to pick some components to build myself a decent workstation. My main concern is reliability, ideally with ECC memory and a processor that supports it, which could be a Xeon. If an i7 and a really good quality motherboard without ECC is considered workstation grade that's fine too. I'm happy buying lightweight core components (CPU, RAM, motherboard) from newegg as it seems MUCH cheaper than NZ for high end stuff, but I'll get the heavier stuff (case, PSU) or stuff priced reasonably in NZ locally.

It'll be a general use machine - media server, internet, email, but with some fairly high volume photo processing thrown in - though my i7 2660 CPU is fast enough for my 12megapixel cameras, but it crawls a bit with 36MP images. Four cores is probably enough, just to keep costs down. I don't play games at all, so any built in video capability would be fine, or the cheapest nVidia 1GB card (Photoshop uses OpenGL). It needs to have at least 6 SATA ports, ideally 8-10. 16GB of RAM is enough, ECC if possible.

I have plenty of hard drives. I may want a new case and power supply, just because my current case (Cooler Master Silencio 550) is a bit small. A have a good quality 550W PSU but wouldn't mind a modular one - plus I want to make sure it's not a power issue causing problems for my PC.

Max budget: $2000, lower preferred as I have to get this past my wife, who does think a reliable PC and data integrity are important.

Some ideas, based on almost random selection:
 - Xeon E3-1231v3 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150. Link. Looks a little faster than my 2600K, US$250, $450 in NZ. Are there any faster processors that aren't too much more expensive?
 - SuperMicro motherboard - link to a random one here as I haven't done the research yet. US$250, just enough SATA ports.
 - RAM - no idea at this stage, would need to read compatibility lists.
 - nVidia 720 video card. Link. Aiming for the lowest or second lowest model in the latest generation.

Alternately (if it's considered good enough) a modern i7, a reliable server grade motherboard like Intel or similar if they still make them, or SuperMicro?

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  #1253687 9-Mar-2015 09:00
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If a client came to me with this spec, I would point them straight to the HP Z230 Workstations.

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  #1253688 9-Mar-2015 09:04
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Can you get them diskless? Prefer nVidia cards but others probably ok. Do they have plenty of SATA ports? What kind of price are they? I'll google after my next meeting.

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  #1253695 9-Mar-2015 09:11
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Special-ordering a disk-less model would cost you more than taking the bundle.

We deploy these to yacht designers who run AutoDesk Inventor, and lawyers who demand the utmost reliability and can afford to pay for it.  I have sold these and their predecessors for years.  With 50 sales, I have had one bad stick of ECC after 2 years, and a faulty PSU in an 8 year old machine.  I actually use these as in-house servers where a RAID is not required but high reliability is.




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  #1253730 9-Mar-2015 09:41
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+1 for HP workstations, and I also hear very good things about the Dell equivalents but haven't personally used them.






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  #1253735 9-Mar-2015 09:47
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We have a client who uses Dell exclusively.  We have replaced around 1/4 of their Precision workstation motherboards due to bad capacitors in the last 8 years, and 2 RAID cards in 4 servers.  My experience with the brand is poor.  But everyone has their 'pet' brands and own experiences.  :)




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  #1253737 9-Mar-2015 09:52
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The Z230 is a nice machine.

timmmay: Prefer nVidia cards but others probably ok.


The K600 is an nVidia Quadro card. Pretty sure that's a 1GB card. Good for design work




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  #1253776 9-Mar-2015 10:17
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Prebuilt with local support sounds like a decent option. However it's only 8GB RAM, it's not ECC RAM, and I'm paying for a Quadro I don't need. I'd need to buy more RAM, which isn't too expensive.

It looks like if I build my own I can get Xeon, server grade SuperMicro motherboard, 16GB ECC RAM, plus the other bits for $1500, maybe $2000 max, really well specified. Given that does anyone have any component advice?

 
 
 

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  #1253882 9-Mar-2015 11:29
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why pay for sever grade components when all your wanting is a work station 

here take a look http://pricespy.co.nz/list.php?l=161139&view=m

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  #1253910 9-Mar-2015 12:03
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Athlonite: why pay for sever grade components when all your wanting is a work station 

here take a look http://pricespy.co.nz/list.php?l=161139&view=m


My logic is servers are built to last, and I value my data (hence ECC RAM), so why not buy quality? I don't know what consumer motherboards have a good reputation for reliability, I've had Gigabyte and Asus both fail, and I know SuperMicro is highly regarded. They're not that much more expensive, just more hassle to bring into the country since they're not sold locally at decent prices.

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  #1254516 10-Mar-2015 09:48
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I've decided for now to replace the motherboard and see if it fixes the problems. I couldn't find a new socket 1155 motherboard in NZ that had 4 RAM slots (I have 4x4GB RAM) so I've ordered one from newegg for around $150 express shipped. Fingers crossed it works... if not I'll go back to my plan for server board, xeon, etc.

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