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Topic # 5439 28-Oct-2005 04:09
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On my HTC Apache, I would like to have msn messenger running all the time (or as often as possible).

I will be online in a WiFi environment both at home and work.

In the box is a notice that states

"please note the htc apache supports pocket msn and its related features, however ms currently does not support pocket msn connections from this device in new zealand. telecom is working with ms to enable this service as soon as practical"

does this mean i am limited to third party msn clients?

I am running agile which seems okay, but if i recieve a message while logged on but the apache turned off, when i turn it back on, i am still logged in, but wont recieve that message until yet another one comes in behind it.

Any ideas?




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Reply # 22212 28-Oct-2005 08:16
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MSN Mobile is not the same as MSN Messenger or MSN Hotmail. This is a problem with the naming in the box.

MSN Mobile is a set of services, including MSN Alerts, and software including MSN Messenger Mobile and MSN Hotmail Mobile. Note that MSN Alerts is different from MSN Messenger.

Some content on MSN Alerts will not work in New Zealand (for now), since there's no content supplier. But it will work with third party content provider, such as Geekzone.

If you try to go to http://mobile.msn.com you're redirected to http://www.xtra.co.nz/mobile when in fact you should see this page. If you scroll down you'll see Pocket MSN there.

Pocket MSN is an add-on for Windows Mobile 2003, only available for purchase in the USA. Now it's freely available on Windows Mobile 5.0. All services (except the MSN Alerts and SMS support) are available.

When you use it on your Pocket PC you can sign-in to MSN Messenger and keep it alive. Plus it will automatically log into your MSN Hotmail account and synchronise messages to a new account.

MSN Messenger will work just fine, no need for third party software...







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  Reply # 22215 28-Oct-2005 09:03
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but the msn messenger on the device wont login.

"Logon to MSN Messenger Service failed becuase the service is not responding. Please try again later.

Been doing this since i got it.




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Reply # 22216 28-Oct-2005 09:07
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Try again. Make sure you enter the password with the keyboard, so that everything is correct.

It worked for me for the last 10 days...








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  Reply # 22218 28-Oct-2005 09:32
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it also says

POCKET MSN

Temporary conditions currently prevent connecting to the MSN Messenger service

:-(

As if I am using a wrong version or something. It has always worked before, and i have also tried disabling all the security on my network temporarily, it was of no help.

My Harrier connects to msn messenger just fine still.




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Reply # 22219 28-Oct-2005 09:56
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ut-oh. msn messenger mobile not working on Apache... i can see the news headline now!...


hehe... i am wondering, when will MSN Messenger Mobile ever have smilie? i don't care about other MSN Messenger stuff, but smilie would be better rather than the text-smilie




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  Reply # 22223 28-Oct-2005 10:04
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Agile Messenger has smilies.
Im not sure that its 100% happy with WM5 though.




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Reply # 22225 28-Oct-2005 10:07
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I don't have an Apache right now - mine is in transit somewhere, and since it's 10am here I doubt Courier Post will delivery it today (if it was sent yesterday). I will try when I get it.





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  Reply # 22229 28-Oct-2005 10:33
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MSN messenger is not supported by microsoft, from new Zealand based product on Mobile version 5. Telecom are trying to get this feature working with Microsoft , but the wheels turn slowly with this big company

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Reply # 22232 28-Oct-2005 11:24
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MSN Messenger on Windows Mobile 5.0 (HTC Universal and HTC Apache) worked in New Zealand until a couple of days ago. No problems whatsoever, and I have been using the devices for two or three weeks.

From today, a day after TNZ officially launched the Apache it's no longer possible to connect to MSN Messenger from these devices. "Logon to MSN Messenger failed because the service is not responding.".

It doesn't matter: Wi-Fi, ActiveSync or CDMA/GPRS it will not connect.

Since this was working before, and the word in the box and from TNZ is "This is not supported in New Zealand", I came up with a conspiracy theory:

- TNZ is associated with MSN on a local branded portal (www.xtramsn.co.nz)
- MSN Mobile (which covers MSN Messenger, MSN Alerts, MSN Hotmail) is not available in NZ, but they want to charge for it
- TNZ asks MSN to block MSN Messenger.

Somehow they could only block WM5 mobile devices, since Windows Mobile 2003 devices still work fine - as Windows Mobile 5.0 devices used to until a couple of days ago in my own experience.

But, again, this is just a theory...






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Reply # 22233 28-Oct-2005 11:33
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And just to show it worked before, my Today screen now says "Tap to sign in", and it will fail, but if I go to settings I can see I have logged before on that device:



And on the TNZ Apache review I have a screenshot that will only show up if you are logged in.





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  Reply # 22236 28-Oct-2005 12:16
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So.... does this mean that JasJar MSN Messenger on Vodafone NZ is also blocked?

How will TNZ feels about this if Vodafone NZ users spread the news about WM5 MSN Messenger is not available and create an uprising with all WM5 MSN Messenger users?

(p/s: i guess i'll delay my WM5 purchase now... be it JasJar or Apache or KJam... does this also affect WM5 PDA connecting via bluetooth to 3G/GPRS?




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Reply # 22238 28-Oct-2005 12:41
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chiefie: So.... does this mean that JasJar MSN Messenger on Vodafone NZ is also blocked?users?
Yes it is curently not working with either Apache or Universal.

There is no evidence whatsoever this a calculated move. It works on Windows Mobile 2003 devices, so it could be a fault on the new version, or a temporary network glitch, etc.

It is just strange that using the same SIM card on both a Smartphone and Universal, connecting to the same APN gives different results.

The only common thing in the whole story is that it won't work on WM 5 devices, either GPRS, CDMA or Wi-Fi.





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  Reply # 22239 28-Oct-2005 12:44
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Tried changing regional settings from NZ to the US but no go - still not possible to log onto MSN.





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  Reply # 22240 28-Oct-2005 12:49
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Perhaps Geekzone should launch an investigation with Microsoft NZ, and TNZ and Vodafone NZ checking to see if is such a case isolating WM5 users/devices only?

I can see that if word gets out to the street, TNZ and Vodafone who are frantically trying to sell their business-focused devices featuring WM5 will find users complaining about WM5 MSN Messenger is unable to connect, whilst WM2003 MSN Messenger works just fine. There may be a campain for both Telcos for class action for false advertising, especially if both telcos use MSN Messenger as their sales feature.

Also, is TNZ legally possible to block MSN access without Vodafone NZ awares of this "blockade"? I think it's illegal though. unless Vodafone NZ knowingly knows about this and have yet release any statement about WM5 MSN Messenger unable to connect. Because this "blockade" is unfair to Vodafone WM5 users.


(p/s: Argh! i lost my first reply, pays to do copy-n-paste before posting)




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