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#930312 10-Nov-2013 16:53

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#930356 10-Nov-2013 19:20

NonprayingMantis:
ricky1981:
tungsten: Have had an Xbox One pre-ordered for a while now and looking forward to launch date. I will be downloading digital games this generation.

Why buy digital? You will pay full RRP, won't be able to sell/trade the game and use a large chunk of your broadband allowance downloading even one game.

On PC it makes sense as there are some great prices compared to boxed games but on consoles it just doesn't make sense IMO

If get all those points, but There are other benefits to digital.

E.g.
All your games available at your fingertips. No need to to get up and swap disks to play something different
No discs to scratch or lose
No storage space wasted by disks and boxes.
If your house burns down or you are robbed you don't lose your collection, it can always be re downloaded as it is linked to your account.

(Most people on this forum would be on at least 150GB plans, so downloading a couple of games won't eat too much into that.)

I don't feel personally that any of those are good enough reasons to be stuck with a huge catalogue of games that you can't sell. Even at a conservative estimate I must have bought 200 PS3/XB360 games and currently only have 4 so that'd be 196 games I couldn't have resold. Even assuming $30 resell each (most would be more as I tend to buy close to release dates) that would be nearly $6k I wouldn't have been able to get back. Factor in that buying from the likes of nzgameshop means buying next-gen digital would cost me $20-40 more per game and I just don't see the justification.

I'm not that lazy I can't change a disc every couple of days or that clumsy to scratch/lose discs frequently. Storage space is a non-issue as I don't horde games and if my house did burn down then I have insurance (and the potential to get the money and buy some new games instead).

150GB plans are not cheap here and even the launch games are pushing 30GB each so just 2-3 games could go through half your allowance. If you have a month with 3-4 good titles, some major OS updates and a failed download or two then you could use your entire allowance just to download games. In my case it would also take most of the day to download a 30GB title even if the download servers weren't the limiting factor.

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#930402 10-Nov-2013 21:13

ricky1981:
NonprayingMantis:
ricky1981:
tungsten: Have had an Xbox One pre-ordered for a while now and looking forward to launch date. I will be downloading digital games this generation.

Why buy digital? You will pay full RRP, won't be able to sell/trade the game and use a large chunk of your broadband allowance downloading even one game.

On PC it makes sense as there are some great prices compared to boxed games but on consoles it just doesn't make sense IMO

If get all those points, but There are other benefits to digital.

E.g.
All your games available at your fingertips. No need to to get up and swap disks to play something different
No discs to scratch or lose
No storage space wasted by disks and boxes.
If your house burns down or you are robbed you don't lose your collection, it can always be re downloaded as it is linked to your account.

(Most people on this forum would be on at least 150GB plans, so downloading a couple of games won't eat too much into that.)

I don't feel personally that any of those are good enough reasons to be stuck with a huge catalogue of games that you can't sell. Even at a conservative estimate I must have bought 200 PS3/XB360 games and currently only have 4 so that'd be 196 games I couldn't have resold. Even assuming $30 resell each (most would be more as I tend to buy close to release dates) that would be nearly $6k I wouldn't have been able to get back. Factor in that buying from the likes of nzgameshop means buying next-gen digital would cost me $20-40 more per game and I just don't see the justification.

I'm not that lazy I can't change a disc every couple of days or that clumsy to scratch/lose discs frequently. Storage space is a non-issue as I don't horde games and if my house did burn down then I have insurance (and the potential to get the money and buy some new games instead).

150GB plans are not cheap here and even the launch games are pushing 30GB each so just 2-3 games could go through half your allowance. If you have a month with 3-4 good titles, some major OS updates and a failed download or two then you could use your entire allowance just to download games. In my case it would also take most of the day to download a 30GB title even if the download servers weren't the limiting factor.

I'd personally be more worried about the teeny weeny 500gb HDD filling up rather fast. But each to their own I guess.

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#930441 10-Nov-2013 22:01

ricky1981:
150GB plans are not cheap here and even the launch games are pushing 30GB each so just 2-3 games could go through half your allowance. If you have a month with 3-4 good titles, some major OS updates and a failed download or two then you could use your entire allowance just to download games. In my case it would also take most of the day to download a 30GB title even if the download servers weren't the limiting factor.

Snap offer free downloads 1am -7am -- you could pretty much do everything you want without eating into your download cap.

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#930498 11-Nov-2013 07:37

Sorry but the only disadvantage of digital is the hard drive space or lack thereof. You make points of limited broadband but for most that's not a issue as it really isn't that expensive to get a decent sized plan that would leave you enough for 3+ games a month. Personally i go for a mix of both. Have 60+ disc based titles and probably close to 30 digital. Most my recent titles have been bought digitally & i have not paid full price for any. I do buy from nzgameshop for my disc based games as they're great for saving a lot.

You have mentioned not being able to resell digital titles but that's a limitation on current generation consoles. Microsoft have worked on a marketplace for the digital titles you own not sure how it works exactly but from what I have read it sounds like you set the price & once sold it leaves your digital library. I believe they have worked it to give them a small amount for the service but no different to paying a trademe fee so if it works as intended then that's going to be great. Unfortunately I don't know whether this is available at launch or not I'm thinking it's not since there's not a lot being said about it.
Once MS has sorted out allowing external hard drive use running out of space won't be a issue just like with the PS4 being able to pop new hard drives in (with some minor limitations).

So the only point not covered is price.... Not everyone buys day one I've maybe done that for less than 10 games and have saved $1000's and the digital titles like my Steam collection have all been bought on sale.

The way I see it is that if you can afford to buy a decent amount of games your internet connection should be something worth spending a little extra for too as $20 - $30 extra these days on that can make a huge difference.

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#930511 11-Nov-2013 08:39

Going to agree to disagree. MS were going to allow you to trade/resell digital titles but that's not available at launch with no ETA and Sony have no plans to do it. Not buying on day one is fine for single player games but for multi-player it's pointless buying months later when your friends no longer play the game. You only have to look how skewed the sales figures are for top titles to realise that most people who buy new will do so shortly after launch when digital pricing will still be full RRP.

Just to be clear, I'm not against digital at all, I love the concept. I have 90% of my PC games on Steam but that's an easy decision as you can buy keys from various sources at well below RRP and Steam have frequent sales. On PC it's cheaper to buy digital than disc, until the same happens for consoles (and I believe it will at some point but not soon) then I'll be sticking with discs.

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#930558 11-Nov-2013 09:55

Just imagine a day where we see PS and Xbox games on the Humble Bundle.

As for digital vs retail both have their advantages and disadvantages and if we take a look at other formats that have gone digital, IE books and music, you might notice that there really doesn't seem to be much (if any) movement in price yet digital is still dominating. So for a lot of people the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Me personally I own physical copies of almost all of my PS3 games and yet have never sold any of them.

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#930629 11-Nov-2013 12:04

any word from Sony about swapping in a bigger HD ? (as with PS3)

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#930642 11-Nov-2013 12:18

bongojona: any word from Sony about swapping in a bigger HD ? (as with PS3)

You can replace it

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

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#930658 11-Nov-2013 12:44

ricky1981:
NonprayingMantis:
ricky1981:
tungsten: Have had an Xbox One pre-ordered for a while now and looking forward to launch date. I will be downloading digital games this generation.

Why buy digital? You will pay full RRP, won't be able to sell/trade the game and use a large chunk of your broadband allowance downloading even one game.

On PC it makes sense as there are some great prices compared to boxed games but on consoles it just doesn't make sense IMO

If get all those points, but There are other benefits to digital.

E.g.
All your games available at your fingertips. No need to to get up and swap disks to play something different
No discs to scratch or lose
No storage space wasted by disks and boxes.
If your house burns down or you are robbed you don't lose your collection, it can always be re downloaded as it is linked to your account.

(Most people on this forum would be on at least 150GB plans, so downloading a couple of games won't eat too much into that.)

I don't feel personally that any of those are good enough reasons to be stuck with a huge catalogue of games that you can't sell. Even at a conservative estimate I must have bought 200 PS3/XB360 games and currently only have 4 so that'd be 196 games I couldn't have resold. Even assuming $30 resell each (most would be more as I tend to buy close to release dates) that would be nearly $6k I wouldn't have been able to get back. Factor in that buying from the likes of nzgameshop means buying next-gen digital would cost me $20-40 more per game and I just don't see the justification.

I'm not that lazy I can't change a disc every couple of days or that clumsy to scratch/lose discs frequently. Storage space is a non-issue as I don't horde games and if my house did burn down then I have insurance (and the potential to get the money and buy some new games instead).

150GB plans are not cheap here and even the launch games are pushing 30GB each so just 2-3 games could go through half your allowance. If you have a month with 3-4 good titles, some major OS updates and a failed download or two then you could use your entire allowance just to download games. In my case it would also take most of the day to download a 30GB title even if the download servers weren't the limiting factor.

horses for courses really.

For me, I have probably only ever owned 20 games on the PS3, and when I sold them I got an average of $10-15, and some I couldn't sell because my kids had scratched the crap out of them.

Reminds me of the other benefit to digital downloads - no need to go out to the shop to buy, and much quicker to download than wait for a courier to deliver - so you get the game much quicker.

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#930659 11-Nov-2013 12:46

Yeah if you're in the market for a cheap 500gb HDD then I'd be checking trademe around about the 29th November. ;)

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#930690 11-Nov-2013 13:55

I'm all in for dumping discs. I've never resold a game (and the amount that EB Games or whoever will trade one in for is pitiful). I HAVE loaned games to people before, but I've also lost games to scratched/damaged discs, and I've had them stolen, the only ones I got back when I got a new system were the ones that were tied to my account.

I'm very happy to go to a full digital distribution system. The cost of not being able to loan games is well worth it for me. A single game not lost to physical media being damaged/stolen easily covers the issues with resale for me. Also worth noting that the xbox can have external storage added.. so that removed worry about the 500gb HDD, I can just plug in more storage later.

I don't intend to purchase physical copies of any games unless there is a SIGNFIGANT discount associated with it, the downsides outweigh the upsides for me.

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#931708 12-Nov-2013 20:32

Warehouse are offering XB1 Day 1 Edition with Fifa 14 and Fighter Within or NBA2k14 for $697. Works out $50 cheaper than anywhere else and an extra game :)

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#931711 12-Nov-2013 20:52

ricky1981: Warehouse are offering XB1 Day 1 Edition with Fifa 14 and Fighter Within or NBA2k14 for $697. Works out $50 cheaper than anywhere else and an extra game :)

wowzers, probably would be a good deal if the console wasn't inferior ;)

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#931817 13-Nov-2013 08:06

PS4 games were buy 2 get 1 free on Amazon this morning. Not sure if the offer is still up but worth a look.

The redemption code is gr8tness.

I got NBA2k14, Madden and BF4 for $139 USD delivered.

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