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Topic # 173733 3-Jun-2015 20:10
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I recently had Spark fibre installed. Because the ONT had to meet certain location requirements I ended up with my wifi at the other end of the house to where I needed it. Last night, with the help of a friend, I completed an inter-floor Cat-6 cable which has allowed me to move both the Huawei HG630b and my Apple Airport Extreme Base Station to where I want them. Since when I've had an odd issue with IP allocation.

Previously: ONT -> patch lead -> HG630b -> patch lead -> Airport Extreme -> massive distance to devices (Macs)

Now: ONT -> Cat-6 inter-floor -> HG630b -> patch lead -> Airport Extreme -> nice and close to devices

The wifi is turned off on the HG630b.
The Airport Extreme is set to bridge mode (no DHCP) and creates my wifi network.
There is a second, older Airport Extreme (first of the 802.11n models) which is set to "extend wireless network"

None of these devices were reconfigured while commissioning the inter-floor cable. Not that it probably matters, but a cable tester was used on the new cable and reported all OK. I also double checked both Airport devices were NOT running DHCP server function.

So, the problem. Actually now I think about it this first occurred while we were sorting the cable out. My wife's Mac complained its assigned IP address (192.168.1.64) was duplicated on the network. I toggled the wifi off and on and a new address was assigned.

When I was testing the cable, I plugged my MacBook Pro directly into the far end of the new cable, the near end being directly in an HG630b port. I got the same error, also with the .64 address. I had proved the cable was working so I ignored it and removed the cable. Since then my wife's Mac has multiple times made the same complaint. The .64 address is assigned elsewhere, it says.

Tonight I started troubleshooting. A network sniffer tells me that the main Airport has the .64 address and nothing else looks amiss. I forced a lease renewal on the Mac and it got something like .78 allocated. All good. Except a while later – the Mac hadn't even been touched – it came up again with .64 in use! Wut!? Another lease renewal brought me back .64 again this time!

The HG630b is configured to allocate .64 through .253 for DHCP, so I set a fixed address of .63 on the Mac and it could not see the Internet but could access the HG630b admin page. Don't understand that at all.

Next thing I have done is taken .64 out of the DHCP range. I set the range start to .65 and then forced a lease renewal on the Airport and it picked up a new address fine.

So far, the Mac seems to remain happy. But what on earth is going on here? The only thought that crosses my mind, but still wouldn't make sense to me, is whether the ONT has an IP itself and could this be also .64? Surely not.

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  Reply # 1316972 3-Jun-2015 20:12
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Supplementary point. In the process of moving the HG630b and Airport downstairs last night both obviously got a reboot and the problems have persisted after that.

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  Reply # 1317062 3-Jun-2015 21:58
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Sounds interesting! You've already tried the first few things that came to mind.









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  Reply # 1317117 4-Jun-2015 07:00
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Are you getting the MAC address of the conflicting device? If so what are the first 6 chars may give a clue as to what it is.

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  Reply # 1317181 4-Jun-2015 08:53
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Can you give the Airport that currently has .64 a set IP address (.2 for example)?

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  Reply # 1317217 4-Jun-2015 09:23
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And everything in the house is on DHCP - nothing on statics?

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  Reply # 1317238 4-Jun-2015 09:53
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When I went to fibre, I had one instance of the duplicated IP on my rMBP.  Just once. When I changed from the 630b to the 659b, it happened again, I think I reset the DHCP lease, been fine ever since. My setup is similar to yours. I figure that the change from one router to another, mine was a TP-Link W8960N,left an outdated DHCP lease, or the router got confuserated. been fine since. Maybe turn off the router, and turn off all devices (off, not sleep) and power the router up, then the devices so it all gets in sync? 

We have a 659B and an Airport Extreme Base Station, mostly the usual suspects in iDevices, plus a Win 7 and Win 8 laptop.



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  Reply # 1317326 4-Jun-2015 11:59
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hashbrown: Are you getting the MAC address of the conflicting device? If so what are the first 6 chars may give a clue as to what it is.


No. The message I get does not include the MAC address. I did, however, run Fing on my iPhone to sniff out what was on the network and only a single device showed up - the Airport - with the .64 address. Not sure if that would have been able to show two with the same address though.



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  Reply # 1317327 4-Jun-2015 12:00
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trig42: Can you give the Airport that currently has .64 a set IP address (.2 for example)?

Hadn't got to that point yet. I did try and fix the problem Mac to .63 but for some reason it wouldn't see outside the network despite happily talking to the router.



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  Reply # 1317331 4-Jun-2015 12:03
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wasabi2k: And everything in the house is on DHCP - nothing on statics?

Not that I could find! It's quite amazing how many devices are on my network though. I checked a bunch of the obvious candidates like my AVR and Apple TV and all are DHCP.

The crazy thing is my previous network config was a 10. network (served by the Airport) so if anything was fixed, it would be outside of the current network anyway. In fact, when I first went to test my new cable I did a control test over a patch cable and took a few minutes to realise I had it fixed to a 10. address over Ethernet (I had been using wifi since the fibre install).



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  Reply # 1317336 4-Jun-2015 12:10
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tdgeek: When I went to fibre, I had one instance of the duplicated IP on my rMBP.  Just once. When I changed from the 630b to the 659b, it happened again, I think I reset the DHCP lease, been fine ever since. My setup is similar to yours. I figure that the change from one router to another, mine was a TP-Link W8960N,left an outdated DHCP lease, or the router got confuserated. been fine since. Maybe turn off the router, and turn off all devices (off, not sleep) and power the router up, then the devices so it all gets in sync? 

We have a 659B and an Airport Extreme Base Station, mostly the usual suspects in iDevices, plus a Win 7 and Win 8 laptop.

That's really interesting. Because my MacBook Pro had exactly one instance of the same error (with .64) as well. So in that sense it is identical to your experience. Just that I have another machine with a chronic case of same.

I wonder if there is something between Macs (perhaps of a certain OS version - both are on Yosemite) and these Huawei routers? And perhaps involving the Airport as well. As best I can tell the Airport had the .64 address from the get go, so why on earth the Huawei would think to offer that to the Mac? And why was the Mac getting a new address when the leases are 1 day long and I had JUST forced it to renew?

Touch wood, the change to .65 as the bottom end of DHCP seems to have cured the problem. There have not been any further occurrences since I changed that last night and forced the Airport onto a new address.

Thanks all for your suggestions.

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  Reply # 1324685 15-Jun-2015 04:17
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I have had this same exact issue with a Macbook Pro and the same Huawei Router. Funny thing is that the issue followed me even when I wasn't connected to the router...I travelled all around Auckland that day connecting to different networks and the issue continued. I just couldn't stop it but eventually I figured it out.

This is how I fixed it.

First I made a script that set the hostname's

Opened the terminal

# nano hostnamefix.sh

Added the following to the file (swinebook1 is what I called my macbook, you call it whatever you want)

scutil --set LocalHostName swinebook1
scutil --set HostName swinebook1
scutil --set ComputerName swinebook1

CTRL+X 
Yes to save
Then

# sudo CHMOD 777 hostnamefix.sh
# sudo ./hostnamefix.sh

Then You need to go into Sharing in Preferences and set your Computer name and then click Edit and make it the same.

Then execute hostnamefix.sh again.   Throughout this you may continue to get plauged by the popup. If this happens then you need to go into network configuration and remove all the Locations so that only "Automatic" exists. Remove ALL the interfaces and then run the hostnamefix.sh again.   If this doesn't work in normal mode - it WILL work in safe mode.

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  Reply # 1324692 15-Jun-2015 07:21
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My pick would be some sort of L2 bridging issue that's not correctly passing through the MAC address of the end device.

I'd personally invest in cheap hardware (you're only looking at $30 - $40 depending on what option you go for) to VLAN tag the WAN traffic from the Airport so this can be used as the primary router.

My Apple can't move out of the 1990's and offer basically functionality such as VLAN tagging on their routers still amazes me. It's pretty much the default for all MEF networks globally these days.


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  Reply # 1326863 17-Jun-2015 22:33
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I have exactly the same setup. I just installed a second AirPort Extreme to extend wifi coverage and initially I tried the extend existing network option and had the same issue with ip addresses. I then changed that to create network, set the ssid to the same as my main network but has the two airports on different channels. Seems like the problem has disappeared, but too early to tell for sure

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