Assistance required with Home Networking

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rgdc

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#208170 30-Jan-2017 11:50

y, 10:30 am

Can anyone assist me with technical advice on what router to use, what splitter to use (if indeed needed) and how to internally hard wire (within the house walls) the following for my sister in laws new home that she is having built:

1) Fibre coming into the property (not yet installed but will be very soon)
2) 2 x Business Offices
3) 2 x TV's where they want Sky to be shown on
4) 12 x hard wired Network (RJ45) Points where they want to be able to have internet/network at each point
5) 8 x hard wired Coax Cables to the same locations as some of the above listed CAT6/Network (RJ45) Points.

Your urgent and in depth response would be very much welcomed as I would like to be able to offer urgent and correct suggestions to my family before the Gibb/Plasterboard goes up next week Monday.

Thank You (in advance)

gorringS

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#1712717 30-Jan-2017 12:50

best advice is to make sure the sparky installs the cables using this method http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/s/startopo.htm and like wise for tv cables back to central cabinet with patch panel place router / network switch in cabinet . Have fiber equipment also installed in cabinet back it up with UPS (uninterrupted power supply). TV wise install your amplifier and splitter in same way again his equipment can be also plug into UPS . So probably require only single double power point in cabinet. Common place for these to be place are in storage cupboard.

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#1712725 30-Jan-2017 12:57

The TV stuff doesnt have to go in the same cabinet as the data stuff. Too often I see that old coax stuff like splitters and an amplifier taking all the space up and no room to put anything else in there that matters like an ethernet switch and router and power supplies for those etc. Theres no connection between the 2 lots of stuff so the TV antenna/dish stuff can be stuck in another box or just left in the roof space since its all pretty much just passive gear except the amplifier, and that can be powered up from one of the outlets over the coax.

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rgdc

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#1712730 30-Jan-2017 13:02

gorringS,

Thank you for your reply but from my ignorant point of view, your reply does not give me a clear cut answer. I know you're trying to help but as the ignorant person that I am when it comes to networking, I need it to be put into laymens terms maybe even drawings and with equipment model number recomendations. Please do not take it the wrong way.

djtOtago

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#1712741 30-Jan-2017 13:16

Have a look at https://www.chorus.co.nz/our-network/wiring/for-home

and

https://www.chorus.co.nz/contractors

and

http://www.tcf.org.nz/assets/guidelines/tcf-premises-wiring-homeowners-guidelines-2015.pdf

Should get you started.

Edit: added more links to information

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#1712771 30-Jan-2017 14:13

Patch Panel: 24 port cat6

Router: Mikrotik CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ (redesigned without switch chip as as CCR1009-7G-1C-1S+)

Switch: Mikrotik CRS125-24G-1S

Wireless: Ubiquiti UAP AC Pro x 2

Cabinet: 9RU 300 mm deep bracket

Spark Max Fibre using Mikrotik CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+, CRS125-24G-1S, Unifi UAP, U6-Pro, UAP-AC-M-Pro, Apple TV 4K (2022), Apple TV 4K (2017), iPad Air 1st gen, iPad Air 4th gen, iPhone 13, SkyNZ3151 (the white box). If it doesn't move then it's data cabled.

tangerz

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#1712779 30-Jan-2017 14:25

rgdc:

gorringS,

Thank you for your reply but from my ignorant point of view, your reply does not give me a clear cut answer. I know you're trying to help but as the ignorant person that I am when it comes to networking, I need it to be put into laymens terms maybe even drawings and with equipment model number recomendations. Please do not take it the wrong way.

In laymans terms, every cable connected to an 'outlet jack' (be it coax or RJ45 or phone) should lead back to the same location, (usually a hallway cupboard or in-wall distribution box), this is your "Comms Cupboard". Fibre, when installed, should be cabled to this same location and have the ONT placed in there as well. If you want wired phones, all outlet cables should return here too. Also, the cabling from the Sky dish and the UHF Freeview antenna should lead to this same location. Don't forget wiring to any locations (in ceiling is best) to locations you may want wireless access points.

With the ONT installed there, you can also put your router, network switch, network patch panel, phone patch panel, coax multiswitch/distribution amp, as well as a UPS to keep your ONT and router running in a power outage.

If you really don't know what you're doing and want a proper future-proof install, get in a network professional.

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#1712800 30-Jan-2017 14:42

I guess recommending on the fly without any house drawings etc, will be a little tricky for some of the community here. Made trickier if you're a novice at some of this stuff as well, but we all learn from somewhere.

The key thing to understand:

1. Broadly what equipment is going to be positioned where inside each room, and is it flexible enough if you change thoughts?

2. The above will inform how much of every type of connection you wish to plug in, which informs the wiring, plug types etc

3. The other end of the wiring needs to terminate where supply is:

- We have low-loss triple shield coax for vodafone Cable (wellington), dual shield coax for Freeview. All the COAX wiring comes into the room space so it's closest for the External antenna (for freeview),
and the COAX splitters are in the roof space as once they are connected, usually you never need to touch them again. Our COAX splits to 3 locations for Vodafone and 4 for Freeview. I know some folks
will lobby for everything in a big rack box, but as another poster indicated I find this would just consume heaps of space that could be otherwise used.

- RJ45 Electrical Ethernet connections, with CAT6 or 6a wiring, SPECIFIED that you want GBPS access. SPECIFY and CONFIRM with the person doing the wiring that each port will be 8-wired for gig speed
or you may find one cable get split in 2 to deliver 100mbps per port (which can be done if they cable is split into 2 4-wire pairs).

- ALSO specify how you wish to handle telephone connections. It's quite common for a telephone port these days also have Ethernet cabling to it, giving the owner maximum flexibility if they change
their mind and what to replace the socket from the old BT style to an RJ11 or RJ45 port. The other end of the telephone ports is where you need to confirm how service is supplied - classic analogue,
analogue from the Fibre Router, analogue from the ISP's router, or true VOIP phones (which you treat like another computer connection). Dont' forget it....

- Don't forget Alarm connections (analogue, IP, mobile?)

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Antoniosk