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#1705710 19-Jan-2017 11:41

sampler:

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It's personal use if everyone is listening to music individually at work, but if we are all listening to the same radio it's commercial use.

Silly.

If your place of work supplies the means the listen to the music (device,power, space?) then its enhancing your work environment. That will be $2.94 * the number of staff (per year)

Which is why we got rid of the office radio ... their loss.

Working through it "logically", if your place of work is or supplies a company car etc, it would mean a company needs to pay a licence if a staff member has the radio on while driving around.

Use of a radio in a vehicle isn't for public performance.

Park it up somewhere and open the doors and blast out your music and you probably would (legally) need to pay.

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#1705822 19-Jan-2017 15:00

sampler:

mattwnz:

(a) So who are you supposed to pay it to?

(b) What is the price?

(c) Who enforces it?

(d) Is this in legislation?

I think the bulk of the answers would be available on the OneMusic site -> www.onemusicnz.com

I looked at that site, but it looks like it solely refers to music, and music TV videos etc. So it doesn't appear they would be the ones collecting this.

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#1706129 19-Jan-2017 22:47

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blakamin:

I hope everyone notes the bit that says "live performance" too... Shows how much these people love "artists" they look after.

Yeah that’s interesting, I would assume (here we go) its referring to a live performance of someone else's material. So if your singing your own songs that’s not an issue.

Nope, it's the venue that needs the licence. Doesn't matter if the artist is singing their own songs if it's in "public". Even if the band is unsigned.

So the actual artist gets paid less because venues have to pay a live performance licence instead of spending that money on the band (one of the reasons I have no time for PPNZ).

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#1706498 20-Jan-2017 16:29

mattwnz:

I looked at that site, but it looks like it solely refers to music, and music TV videos etc. So it doesn't appear they would be the ones collecting this.

ANY music played on a TV... Includes songs used in TV shows, TV theme tunes, commercials... ANY.

Like I said, I have absolutely no time for them, but that's what they do.

I used to work in an industry that had to pay a fee per "song", even if it was the 1 song used 400 times, and then the end user had to pay again for a public performance licence.

They enjoy double-dipping because they are the recording industry. OneMusic (formerly PPNZ) is a company run by the major studios.

Ask a recording artist how much they get from OneMusic per year... See if you can find how much money it takes to "admin" OneMusic....

oh, just for the record, this is why companies now use generic non-copyright on-hold music.

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#1706509 20-Jan-2017 17:00

blakamin:

mattwnz:

I looked at that site, but it looks like it solely refers to music, and music TV videos etc. So it doesn't appear they would be the ones collecting this.

ANY music played on a TV... Includes songs used in TV shows, TV theme tunes, commercials... ANY.

Like I said, I have absolutely no time for them, but that's what they do.

I used to work in an industry that had to pay a fee per "song", even if it was the 1 song used 400 times, and then the end user had to pay again for a public performance licence.

They enjoy double-dipping because they are the recording industry. OneMusic (formerly PPNZ) is a company run by the major studios.

Ask a recording artist how much they get from OneMusic per year... See if you can find how much money it takes to "admin" OneMusic....

oh, just for the record, this is why companies now use generic non-copyright on-hold music.

But couldn't they get around this but removing the speaker from the TV, or muting it, so no sound is playing, and they are just displaying a picture. Infact I have seen some businesses do this in the past when they have had a TV in a waiting area. Also some programs may use generic or royalty free music as well.

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#1706510 20-Jan-2017 17:03

I looked at the option of using staff CDs for our IVR hold music so here was a variety but the cost was prohibitive compared to canned music.

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#1706533 20-Jan-2017 17:07

mattwnz:

But couldn't they get around this but removing the speaker from the TV, or muting it, so no sound is playing, and they are just displaying a picture. Infact I have seen some businesses do this in the past when they have had a TV in a waiting area. Also some programs may use generic or royalty free music as well.

They could try. I doubt muting it would be acceptable.

Good luck

Like I said, OneMusic is owned by record companies... You really think they'd be fair, or even care that there was no speaker?

Yeah, "some programs" might use generic whatever, but that makes no difference to needing a licence. They don't divide it up between shows. They don't care if it's off. If it can be used in public, you pay a licence fee. End of story.

You can always ring, or email and argue with them. I'm just stating the facts as per their website, and as I know them to be after dealing with them. It'd be nice if they changed their ways, but "record companies".

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#1706535 20-Jan-2017 17:13

Have their been any precedents set over this in court? If someone was playing Sky TV (eg a rugby game) in a commerical area, do they also have to pay this as an additional fee, for when music comes on in adverts etc. Or do Sky pay them instead? Although I am guessing that many of the places the TV is shown, such as in bars, they also play music, so pay it through that.

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#1706536 20-Jan-2017 17:14

MikeB4: I looked at the option of using staff CDs for our IVR hold music so here was a variety but the cost was prohibitive compared to canned music.

One small part of my old job was supplying the on-hold music for TelstraClear in their heyday. The price was even too much for them!

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#1706537 20-Jan-2017 17:18

mattwnz:

Have their been any precedents set over this in court? If someone was playing Sky TV (eg a rugby game) in a commerical area, do they also have to pay this as an additional fee, for when music comes on in adverts etc. Or do Sky pay them instead? Although I am guessing that many of the places the TV is shown, such as in bars, they also play music, so pay it through that.

Yup, many people have lost in court... It's part of the copyright act.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned earlier, Sky commercial covers the licence for Sky. They still need a licence for a jukebox or any other music including live performance. IIRC any TV that is not hooked up to Sky is not covered by the Sky commercial agreement. So a licence fee applies.

Basically, if you run a venue, you ring them, tell them who you are, what you have, how big the place is, and they tell you how much you pay.

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