Commercial freeview install; is there a possible operating fee?

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#207757 12-Jan-2017 14:07

GZers,

Having a heck of a time trying to clarify if it is possible to display freeview in a waiting room at a local dentist without attracting any kind of fee.

The freeview help desk its self did not know, which I found very odd and my google foo is failing to find anything (as of yet).
I have also approached a number of aerial installers without any particular definite answer. All of the local motels offer Sky and I know there is a commercial version of that (with additional fee's well above the normal residential charges).

I may be assuming incorrectly, however I was under the impression that just like other platforms, you are using it to "enhance" the offering of their own service, so there must be a fee ?

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#1702084 12-Jan-2017 14:38

It would seem a little crazy for Freeview to charge public performance fees for your situation. Especially as they want as many eyeballs watching their broadcasts as possible.

Sky in a commercial situation, I can understand as you are paying for content (as well as the advertising!), as its their own system.

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#1702100 12-Jan-2017 15:04

Try TVNZ/TV3?

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#1702123 12-Jan-2017 15:30

It's not up to Freeview, they were merely a broadcast platform. You would need to contact the individual broadcaster to see what they say and/or get their approval.

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#1702153 12-Jan-2017 16:17

Classic example of it being better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission I would have thought.

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#1702176 12-Jan-2017 17:11

Freeview is a non sub service, there are no fees involved in showing it in a commercial business.

Stop looking for a solution when there isn't really a problem to begin with.

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#1702178 12-Jan-2017 17:25

Apsattv:
Freeview is a non sub service, there are no fees involved in showing it in a commercial business.

Stop looking for a solution when there isn't really a problem to begin with.

To be fair to the OP, the recording industry did (I think still does), have people going around public places, malls, shops etc and they will make them pay fees if they are playing any music. So it's not too hard to imagine something similar with TV.

That said - how many people would see your tv and what are the odds the 'right' person (if there is one) will see it?

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#1702180 12-Jan-2017 17:33

1) Just do it

2) Try these guys... its free and they just use your broadband http://gogiggle.nz/about-giggle

3) This http://www.mpda.org.nz/about thows a spanner in the works but refer to #1

4) This https://www.onemusicnz.com throws a spanner in the works if a music program is playing but refer to #1

5) Seems like a grey area and refer to #1 until your "told".

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#1702182 12-Jan-2017 17:47

From here (PPNZ website)

"You require a OneMusic licence if you play radio or TV in your premises. You can get a licence by calling 0800 800 662, email info@onemusicnz.com or visit www.onemusicnz.com"

I used to deal with these a-ho...ahem, people quite often.... saying no more

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#1702285 12-Jan-2017 22:23

Thanks everyone for your candid input.

Apsattv:
Freeview is a non sub service, there are no fees involved in showing it in a commercial business.

Sorry don't agree with your view of Freeview being "a non sub service", the "sub" is in effect paid by the content providers who licence to be on the network. You in turn also "sub" into the network licensing by the purchase of Freeview approved hardware, just at the rate of a one time fee.

As a side note I am old enough to remember when NZ homes had to pay for analogue TV via the TV licence fee. The legislative framework for that fee still exists, but its just currently charged at $0.00 per TV unit.

sbiddle:
It's not up to Freeview, they were merely a broadcast platform. You would need to contact the individual broadcaster to see what they say and/or get their approval.

Had a discussion with Media Works this afternoon. 8 people later I was told I would write in to get approval to display content for TV3's live stream, but could not give approval for the same content delivered over Freeview (or Sky TV NZ).

traderstu:
Classic example of it being better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission I would have thought.

Man after my own heart! .. I would normally totally agree. Problem is in a commercial situation the "forgiveness" usually only happens after a fine is paid, management and directors are held to account etc etc. Companies have been prosecuted for playing the radio as hold music etc to. Again my guess would be this is the same.

I think the "OneMusic" licence will be the general direction to head in. Thanks to Goosey and blakamin for suggesting them as an avenue to explore.

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#1702328 13-Jan-2017 00:05

sampler:

Thanks everyone for your candid input.

Apsattv:
Freeview is a non sub service, there are no fees involved in showing it in a commercial business.

Sorry don't agree with your view of Freeview being "a non sub service", the "sub" is in effect paid by the content providers who licence to be on the network. You in turn also "sub" into the network licensing by the purchase of Freeview approved hardware, just at the rate of a one time fee.

Rubbish! its a free service for the public. There is no subscription fee and there is no requirement to use Freeview approved equipment.

There is NO permission needed to display it anywhere. In this day and age the channels would be happy to have whatever extra viewers they can get.

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#1702349 13-Jan-2017 01:16

sampler:

As a side note I am old enough to remember when NZ homes had to pay for analogue TV via the TV licence fee. The legislative framework for that fee still exists, but its just currently charged at $0.00 per TV unit.

I admit it would be more clear cut if people still paid licencing fees directly. Maybe you should ask the broadcasting minister directly. If it was a paytv channel, then you can get a commercial license, eg for showing it in a pub. I have no idea about freeview, however there would have been exclusive sports content in the past on freeview that would have been shown in pubs. What did they do?

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#1702391 13-Jan-2017 08:26

Apsattv:

sampler:

Thanks everyone for your candid input.

Apsattv:
Freeview is a non sub service, there are no fees involved in showing it in a commercial business.

Sorry don't agree with your view of Freeview being "a non sub service", the "sub" is in effect paid by the content providers who licence to be on the network. You in turn also "sub" into the network licensing by the purchase of Freeview approved hardware, just at the rate of a one time fee.

Rubbish! its a free service for the public. There is no subscription fee and there is no requirement to use Freeview approved equipment.

There is NO permission needed to display it anywhere. In this day and age the channels would be happy to have whatever extra viewers they can get.

Just because something is free doesn't mean you can just play it. Radio is free as well yet requires a licence to play it in commercial/business/public premises.

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#1705042 18-Jan-2017 09:45

GZers,

Just to fill in everyone’s knowledge. After discussions with a number of government departments, quangos and the odd person who made sense ....

Yes a licence is required to display free-view in a commercial space if "the public" can see the image. That includes if you have a TV for staff that the public might be able to see.

As normal; fines ($150k) and imprisonment are on offer for the directors of companies who don't pay their required licence etc etc ie big stick.

The above is totally independent of the medium that the content is being provided over. Streamed, Freeview, DVD etc all would required a licence. The commercial Sky TV offering already includes the fee's required to play in a public space.

Hope this helps others in the future.

Cheers

Lee

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#1705062 18-Jan-2017 10:08

I find a licence to use a FTA public broadcast in a place of business odd.

Right now there are half a dozen people in our office listening to music on their headphones. But if we were all listening to the same song via radio we would be expected to pay a fee?

I'd turn an office radio off before we paid any fee.

So that means fewer listeners for the station. For musicians it means fewer people hear their songs and subsequently buy them.

Seems counter-productive.

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#1705065 18-Jan-2017 10:10

MikeAqua:

I find a licence to use a FTA public broadcast in a place of business odd.

Right ow there ae half a dozen people in our office listening to music on their headphones. But if we were all listening to the same song via radio we would be expected to pay a fee?

I'd turn an office radio off before we paid any fee.

So that means fewer listeners for the station. For musicians it means fewer people hear their songs and subsequently buy them.

Seems counter-productive.

Thats personal use, not public ?

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