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Topic # 59796 12-Apr-2010 19:14
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Found this on another forum.

"New content protection rules soon will make it easier to archive MyFreeview|HD recordings.

Their application will give Freeview|HD DTRs the same advantage TiVo enjoys over Sky’s MySky HDi, whose users can’t burn their HD recordings to a hard drive or Blu-ray disc."

http://www.screenscribe.tv/blu-ray/freeviewhd-to-offer-external-copying/

 




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  Reply # 317476 12-Apr-2010 19:25
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Its about time it will allow me to continue using my decoder and keep the programs i want somewhere else. Does this include network copy?





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  Reply # 317656 13-Apr-2010 10:02
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Because people haven't figured out that any DVB-T tuner is able to record Freeview HD without any limitations whatsoever.




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  Reply # 317675 13-Apr-2010 10:33
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jpollock: Because people haven't figured out that any DVB-T tuner is able to record Freeview HD without any limitations whatsoever.


 

Is this a statement or a question?

PS Your blog about IPTV via proxies is interesting. I have never managed to get any of the 'watch again/on demand" TV services to work using free proxies - They just dont have the resources to be useful. Are you saying that you can purchase proxy resources via amazon - is this amazon as in amazon.com? Where do they sell this - Have I completely misunderstood?




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  Reply # 317700 13-Apr-2010 11:30
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robjg63:
jpollock: Because people haven't figured out that any DVB-T tuner is able to record Freeview HD without any limitations whatsoever.


Is this a statement or a question?


Sarcasm. :) Any off-the-shelf DVB-T stick will probably allow people to record FreeviewHD much better (where better is fewer restrictions) than any set-top PVR can.


PS Your blog about IPTV via proxies is interesting. I have never managed to get any of the 'watch again/on demand" TV services to work using free proxies - They just dont have the resources to be useful. Are you saying that you can purchase proxy resources via amazon - is this amazon as in amazon.com? Where do they sell this - Have I completely misunderstood?


Amazon offers a set of cloud services.  One of them (EC2) provides an on-demand Linux or Windows system.  You setup an account, run a script and you have a PC with a US IP address at a pretty reasonable price.  Since I wrote the blog post, Hulu has blocked Amazon's IP address range, so it can't be used for that anymore. :)




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  Reply # 318515 14-Apr-2010 20:38
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Could you not simply use a VPN service to make use of Hulu/Spotify etc...? http://www.strongvpn.com/ comes to mind.

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  Reply # 318546 14-Apr-2010 21:57
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1080p: Could you not simply use a VPN service to make use of Hulu/Spotify etc...? http://www.strongvpn.com/ comes to mind.


We're getting off-topic, but yes, if you click through to my blog, the latest post discusses the VPN providers. :) 




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  Reply # 318808 15-Apr-2010 14:16
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I can record from MySky to my DVD Recorder no problems, I mean, I have to play the episode/show back while its recording, but thats no problem. I'm sure that if more Blu-Ray recorders came out with an HDMI Input, rather than just being Freeview|HD only, there wouldn't be a problem recording a 1080i or 720p show to it.




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  Reply # 318886 15-Apr-2010 15:48
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hamisht: I'm sure that if more Blu-Ray recorders came out with an HDMI Input, rather than just being Freeview|HD only, there wouldn't be a problem recording a 1080i or 720p show to it.

More of them? Are there any Blu-Ray recorders on the market that allow you to record from an HDMI input?

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  Reply # 318887 15-Apr-2010 15:50
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No, thats what I meant. There is one, but its Freeview|HD compatible only, and it doesn't have an HDMI Input.




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  Reply # 320624 20-Apr-2010 12:16
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You could always record the analogue stream ?

haha

AFAIK S-Video is the highest quality input on domestic recorders.

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  Reply # 321052 20-Apr-2010 23:09
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I was quite interested in this until I read the details in the article.

Sadly, it looks like a licenced only DRM encumbered kludge, limited to "authorised" hardware only. Copy protection enabled, with broadcasters able to set copy never, copy once and copy freely flags. AACS on any disks made so they can't freely be copies to media server boxes.? Alternately, I could just connect a cheap USB tuner to a laptop, have the recordings coompletely unencumbered and on my network.

My response to this - thanks, but no thanks. Come back when you have a solution that isn't DRM-poisoned.



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  Reply # 321079 21-Apr-2010 06:24
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JimmyH: I was quite interested in this until I read the details in the article.

Sadly, it looks like a licenced only DRM encumbered kludge, limited to "authorised" hardware only. Copy protection enabled, with broadcasters able to set copy never, copy once and copy freely flags. AACS on any disks made so they can't freely be copies to media server boxes.? Alternately, I could just connect a cheap USB tuner to a laptop, have the recordings coompletely unencumbered and on my network.

My response to this - thanks, but no thanks. Come back when you have a solution that isn't DRM-poisoned.




with sky's mysky hdi recording anologe output has three levels of drm

1 no copy restriction

2 copy once

3 no copy

a bog standard sony hdd recorder is used .

it would also mean that in freeview's case similar rules would apply .

pretty much all hd content is copy once which means shifting from dtr's  hdd to other media ie dvd disc  wont be allowed . which rather destroys the point of allowing it.

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  Reply # 321081 21-Apr-2010 06:43
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JimmyH: I was quite interested in this until I read the details in the article.

Sadly, it looks like a licenced only DRM encumbered kludge, limited to "authorised" hardware only. Copy protection enabled, with broadcasters able to set copy never, copy once and copy freely flags. AACS on any disks made so they can't freely be copies to media server boxes.? Alternately, I could just connect a cheap USB tuner to a laptop, have the recordings coompletely unencumbered and on my network.

My response to this - thanks, but no thanks. Come back when you have a solution that isn't DRM-poisoned.




Unfortunately that just isn't going to happen.

Content producers are insisting on DRM. That's an issue that broadcasters simply can't negotiate over.

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  Reply # 321201 21-Apr-2010 10:27
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sbiddle: 

Unfortunately that just isn't going to happen.

Content producers are insisting on DRM. That's an issue that broadcasters simply can't negotiate over.


Which is pretty nuts, because they can't limit access to only devices which implement DRM without implementing security and invalidating all of the existing TVs that have been sold with FreeView tuners in them.

Jason 




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  Reply # 321410 21-Apr-2010 18:27
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jpollock:
sbiddle: 

Unfortunately that just isn't going to happen.

Content producers are insisting on DRM. That's an issue that broadcasters simply can't negotiate over.


Which is pretty nuts, because they can't limit access to only devices which implement DRM without implementing security and invalidating all of the existing TVs that have been sold with FreeView tuners in them.

Jason 



jpollock   do you know something we all dont . how can a tv which has no hd video  outputs , which is all of them , be able to invalidate drm reqirements  ? to my knowledge tv's with usb and network connections are only inputs not outputs,

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