Sky outbid for EPL rights (Premier League Pass discussion)

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#839450 19-Jun-2013 15:03

Krishant007: i just had a question. yes sky wont be showing epl...can they at least show all the FA cup and Carling Cup matches.. at least that would be something if EPL is not being shown.

ESPN has the FA Cup.

Sommet Sports has the CapitalOne Cup (formerly carling cup)

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#839451 19-Jun-2013 15:04

They can't even put a current picture of a player on their website. They have Van Persie in a Arsenal shirt. Shows how much the people behind this care about the EPL. And no I am not a scum supporter.

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#839454 19-Jun-2013 15:05

Nz herald says coliseum sports will charge 129 for a season pass or 25 bucks per day

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#839455 19-Jun-2013 15:05

I see sky tvs share price is dropped quite a bit after news about this broke. I think the football package by itself is quite expensive, considering that is the only thing you get. So comparing it with skys price, which also includes other programs and channels and sports isn't really a fair comparison. I am guessing that the number of people who only get sky for football is relatively low, and there would be far more who get it solely for rugby. I think it does show that NZ does need some content regulation, but it is probably very difficult to do with companies operating offshore, and distributing content online. If sky were outbid on the rugby, then I could see bigger problems for sky.

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#839456 19-Jun-2013 15:05

Benoire:
expression: Yes but how many people can realistically stream 8-10mbps?

With the right encoding 3mbps streams can look pretty good, particularly if your watching on a TV.

As for the media centre issue, not enough people have a media centre set up, and I doubt they will ever become popular enough to justify the investment in creating apps etc for them.

DVB-S/S2 can stream upwards of 10mbps. This is the problem in my view... The market is very much setup for STB/TV NOT AppleTV / PC / TV. I would imagine the number of geeks with devices to view this would be high, but the number of overall sports fans low. I know my boss, for example, does not have any devices capable of watching this apart from his PC... and how many people really know how to stream to the TV.

While that's a fair point, the market was also dumb phones for a while. The television market needs a good hard shunt in to the future but I don't think this is it. I sound like an Apple fanboy but if Apple would release an app store for the ATV this type of thing would go crazy. The hardest thing about TV and making it successful is that it's a lazy platform and it needs a one stop shop like iTunes is considered for music. Apple are really the only ones that could do this.

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#839470 19-Jun-2013 15:08

Benoire. Expression.

But a lot of the potential audience for the EPL don't want to use online stuff and certainly don't want to use tablets etc.

My father if he wants to watch will have to fork out $150 + broadband connection $30 per month so $510 a year to watch EPL.

Can't see that happening

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#839472 19-Jun-2013 15:10

Jas777: Benoire. Expression.

But a lot of the potential audience for the EPL don't want to use online stuff and certainly don't want to use tablets etc.

My father if he wants to watch will have to fork out $150 + broadband connection $30 per month so $510 a year to watch EPL.

Can't see that happening

+ Data costs. So for 500GB per month, you could be adding on another $200 per year.

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#839502 19-Jun-2013 15:21

mattwnz: I think it does show that NZ does need some content regulation, but it is probably very difficult to do with companies operating offshore, and distributing content online. If sky were outbid on the rugby, then I could see bigger problems for sky.

Disagree. I would say that sky losing the rights and the creation of 2 new options (Sommet and now PremierLeaguePass) for watching sports show that there is increasing competition in the media rights market.

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#839506 19-Jun-2013 15:25

Veitchy on sport FB page having good updates.

latest is that the quality will NOT be dodgy, looking at allowing people to link up on line through the TV and speculation Telecom may jump on board as a provider.

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#839507 19-Jun-2013 15:25

Jas777: Benoire. Expression.

But a lot of the potential audience for the EPL don't want to use online stuff and certainly don't want to use tablets etc.

My father if he wants to watch will have to fork out $150 + broadband connection $30 per month so $510 a year to watch EPL.

Can't see that happening

I see your point but a there is a high rate of broadband uptake in NZ which shows there are many people who already have (at least part of) the tech required to view. Regarding watching content online, sdav makes a good point above with comparisons of the smartphone market, where nowadays it's hard to buy a phone that isn't "smart". I imagine the same thing will happen with Tvs in the near future.

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#839519 19-Jun-2013 15:33

Expression,

Yes there is but a lot of people only have a small data cap. Having to stream sports will probably put them in the next price point for a lot of internet companies which is around the $20 a month mark.

Also if other family members are using your connection it will affect the quality you get.

Sure you can have a smart TV but you have to have a grunt connection to see in top quality, a lot of people haven't.

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#839527 19-Jun-2013 15:40

Jas777: Expression,

Yes there is but a lot of people only have a small data cap. Having to stream sports will probably put them in the next price point for a lot of internet companies which is around the $20 a month mark.

Also if other family members are using your connection it will affect the quality you get.

Sure you can have a smart TV but you have to have a grunt connection to see in top quality, a lot of people haven't.

entry level broadband plans are, for most people, $75 for around $30 GB
You can get unlimited data from Slingshot for $90, or unlimited data with unlimited national calling from Orcon for $99

This is not a huge amount extra to fork out, especially compared to the price of Sky basic + Sky sports +MySky + HD ticket which can easily set you back close to $100 per month

Not to mention the other amazing things you can do when you have the internet (like Pron, other media streaming, etc etc)

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#839528 19-Jun-2013 15:42

you have to remember that the majority of people who watched the EPL , probably recorded it on Mysky to watch at there convenience, are they willing to fork out big money to get up in the early hours to watch it live , i doubt it very much , they will watch it on TVNZ like it used to be many years ago.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#839529 19-Jun-2013 15:44

NonprayingMantis:
Jas777: Expression,

Yes there is but a lot of people only have a small data cap. Having to stream sports will probably put them in the next price point for a lot of internet companies which is around the $20 a month mark.

Also if other family members are using your connection it will affect the quality you get.

Sure you can have a smart TV but you have to have a grunt connection to see in top quality, a lot of people haven't.

entry level broadband plans are, for most people, $75 for around $30 GB
You can get unlimited data from Slingshot for $90, or unlimited data with unlimited national calling from Orcon for $99

This is not a huge amount extra to fork out, especially compared to the price of Sky basic + Sky sports +MySky + HD ticket which can easily set you back close to $100 per month

Not to mention the other amazing things you can do when you have the internet (like Pron, other media streaming, etc etc)

+1.

Data caps have been growing exponentially for a while now, and it is unlikely we will see this slow in the near future.

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#839530 19-Jun-2013 15:45

vexxxboy: you have to remember that the majority of people who watched the EPL , probably recorded it on Mysky to watch at there convenience, are they willing to fork out big money to get up in the early hours to watch it live , i doubt it very much , they will watch it on TVNZ like it used to be many years ago.

one would assume that as well as showing the games live this service will also have some kind of catch up to watch a game that you miss at a later time - and without any need to set it to record on your PVR.

With on demand, there is no need for a PVR, in theory.

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