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#2001777 24-Apr-2018 16:51

Rikkitic:

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McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

I'd say then that most Kiwi kids are doomed even if they eat at home - tomato sauce seems to be common around the country...

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#2001781 24-Apr-2018 16:57

freitasm:

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

Salt a contributor to high blood pressure, Mince contributor to cholesterol, Bun carbohydrate contributor, Tomato sauce high in sugar, all in all not a great thing. However taken in moderation having regard to the rest of the diet the health affects can be mitigated.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2001819 24-Apr-2018 17:48

There's now some doubt - suggesting that the research linking salt as a cause to high blood pressure was flawed. It seems it might not cause it at all, but may still exacerbate it in individuals who already have high blood pressure.

That dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol levels seems to have been based on pure assumption and wishful thinking rather than science.

If you want good evidence of how we may have got things quite wrong, then look at the widespread use of statins for blood serum cholesterol reduction - which they certainly achieve incredibly well. Then ask your cardiologist for data on mortality reduction from CVD for people taking statins to reduce cholesterol vs control, and the answer may be somewhat less compelling. "Something else" is clearly going on. Even if the data is only showing that people taking statins see it as an easy effort-free alternative to the more complete lifestyle change which is needed to address their serious health issue(s).

Note - I am not suggesting anybody take the above as advice to change their medicine etc - see your doctor, and ask lots of questions (really get your money worth).

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#2001820 24-Apr-2018 17:52

freitasm:
gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

Yeah I think it really is unhealthier.

Take something like Subway for example, it's all a bit denatured. It is simply not as healthy as preparing the same meal at home. Even look at the structure of the bread is designed to be a fast food and likely not even as heallthy as a tip top roll.

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#2001858 24-Apr-2018 18:13

freitasm:

Rikkitic:

freitasm:

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

I'd say then that most Kiwi kids are doomed even if they eat at home - tomato sauce seems to be common around the country...

If some kid grabbed the tomato sauce and plonked dollops of it on the food I'd lovingly prepared for them (unless I'd made burgers or served fries with something), I'd squirt the stuff in their hair, take the rest of the food from them and get them to feed it to the chickens, then hand the bawling rug-rat a carrot to gnaw on.

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#2002063 25-Apr-2018 09:17

freitasm:

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

Could not agree more. You could serve the same ingredients on a plate, not as a burger, and it looks better, better as in not a takeaway. Meat, bread, cheese, gherkin. And for an old fashioned burger, add tomato and lettuce. Hardly bad is it?

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#2002065 25-Apr-2018 09:20

Rikkitic:

freitasm:

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

Not traditional, very unhealthy. Fish has benefits. Chips are too much carbs. And the many square inches of oil/dripping laden surface area of the chips is bad news. The batter is worse its thick. And pile on the tomato sauce.

Its an unhealthy treat, if its once a week, who cares.

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#2002066 25-Apr-2018 09:28

gzt:
freitasm:

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

Yeah I think it really is unhealthier.

Take something like Subway for example, it's all a bit denatured. It is simply not as healthy as preparing the same meal at home. Even look at the structure of the bread is designed to be a fast food and likely not even as heallthy as a tip top roll.

We have Subway regularly. Its real. Its fresh. The bun is a bun. This fast food phrase indicates fast, unhealthy food, thats silly. Fish N Chips, yes, but Subway you can make at home, its just easier to buy it. Its fast food by speed only. If I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent. Its fast food not junk food. And at home I dont have a fresh version of everything at the same time.

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#2002080 25-Apr-2018 09:45

Pita pit salad is fast food and perfectly ok nutritionally

But not exactlycheap vs very quick and cheap to make your own at home

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#2002203 25-Apr-2018 12:29

tdgeek:

We have Subway regularly... if I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent.

Of course you could:

SUBWAY CHICKEN CLASSIC PATTY (Breaded): Chicken (70%), Water, Flour (Wheat, Maize), Salt, Flavours
(Wheat, Milk), Wheat Starch, Egg, Sunflower Oil, Milk Protein, Wheat Gluten, Dextrose, Mineral Salts
(450,451), Sugar, Herbs & Spices, Dehydrated Vegetable, Yeast Extract, Soy Sauce Powder (Wheat),
Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Garlic Dehydrated, Flavour Enhancers (631,627), Colours (100,160c),
Spice Extracts, Anti Caking Agent (551), Acidity Regulator (330), Vegetable Oil [Soy (Antioxidant
(319))], Palmolein, Vitamin (Thiamin).Contains: Wheat, Gluten, Egg, Milk and Soy.

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#2002240 25-Apr-2018 12:46

Fred99:

tdgeek:

We have Subway regularly... if I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent.

Of course you could:

SUBWAY CHICKEN CLASSIC PATTY (Breaded): Chicken (70%), Water, Flour (Wheat, Maize), Salt, Flavours
(Wheat, Milk), Wheat Starch, Egg, Sunflower Oil, Milk Protein, Wheat Gluten, Dextrose, Mineral Salts
(450,451), Sugar, Herbs & Spices, Dehydrated Vegetable, Yeast Extract, Soy Sauce Powder (Wheat),
Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Garlic Dehydrated, Flavour Enhancers (631,627), Colours (100,160c),
Spice Extracts, Anti Caking Agent (551), Acidity Regulator (330), Vegetable Oil [Soy (Antioxidant
(319))], Palmolein, Vitamin (Thiamin).Contains: Wheat, Gluten, Egg, Milk and Soy.

I dont do the classic chicken, it seems processed. They should do lean chicken pieces. The ham or tuna i could make an equivalent. But I dont keep stocks of the many veggies.

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#2002254 25-Apr-2018 13:01

Oh okay - the "chicken breast strips"?

CHICKEN BREAST STRIPS: Chicken (94%), Soy Protein, Salt, Modified Starch (1412), Flavour
[Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein (Soy)], Mineral Salt (450), Vegetable Oil [Canola (Antioxidant (319))].
Contains Soy.

1412 is Distarch phosphate esterified with sodium trimetasphosphate; (or) esterified with phosphorus oxychloride

450 is a calcium or sodium phosphate stabiliser/emulsifier

I don't use these in my kitchen. I wouldn't buy so-called "chicken strips" at the supermarket if they listed those on the packet, the reason they "need" to use these is because they sell fast food, and I'm unconvinced Subway is any better than Maccas.

Their sauces and dressings are also loaded with sugar.

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#2002278 25-Apr-2018 13:35

I think the beef patties at McDonald's are healthier then...

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#2002292 25-Apr-2018 13:49

I agree, but it is like saying that having your fingernails extracted with pliers is less awful than having a hot needle poked in your eye.

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#2002303 25-Apr-2018 14:09

Fred is spot on. I eat Subway as a uni lunch fairly regularly, but I've tried to cut back after looking into the ingredients a while back. My favourite shocker is the beetroot, it's only 58% beetroot. I suspect it's the vegetable equivalent of shaved ham. Oh and that sliced steak, it's not just steak that has been sliced.

Full ingredients list here (PDF)

I agree that the meat at Mcdonald's is probably less processed than Subway's meat.

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