2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2671801 11-Mar-2021 16:57

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Its clear that pre departure testing is having minimal impacts on cases arriving at the door that then test positive, so the number of cases and the burden of MIQ dealing with actual COVID patients would highly likely increase

The study I saw said it picked up somewhere around half of cases. It doesn't eliminate all cases of course but it's significant.

I agree. We only see the numbers for post-arrival detections, we don't see the numbers for refused boarding - no test or tested positive and didn't even get to the airport

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#2671808 11-Mar-2021 17:07

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That's incorrect. I raised this here today, doctor surgeries are off the table as not suitable...

Incorrect? I saw some opinions using them wasn't suitable. But don't recall a subsequent article invalidating this one which appears to be only dated/released lunchtime today.

Sorry, I put three dots to signify sarcasm. I think its a great idea to spread the net, but some here said you can't use doctors surgeries as that will be interrupting medical services. Covid is vaguely rekated to medical services, possibly. /s Doctor surgeries have a natural and daily contact with the population

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#2671868 11-Mar-2021 19:11

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Fair enough. if there was the two way bubble and we got a CT case from AUS the world will end. Govt gets criticised as no bubble and criticised if it leaks

I'm very curious why you think the world would end. Why? Why would people blame the Govt? It would be no different to any other case here - we'd track and trace and isolate. The only people who would think the world are ending are the ones who clearly thing right now that we should never open the borders. I really worry how those people are going to cope with the reality low level endemic Covid will be introduced and exist in the country once our borders do open.

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#2671896 11-Mar-2021 20:07

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I'm very curious why you think the world would end. Why? Why would people blame the Govt? It would be no different to any other case here - we'd track and trace and isolate. The only people who would think the world are ending are the ones who clearly thing right now that we should never open the borders. I really worry how those people are going to cope with the reality low level endemic Covid will be introduced and exist in the country once our borders do open.

Not my feelings, just based on the never ending complaining here and the media over the Covid response. Everyday there are complaints. As someone on I think this thread said today, the Kiwi Knocking Machine. Either the lockdowns are bad for business, or the odd case is yet another leak from poor Govt response. If we had a lockdown its bad and a fail, if we get a case it's bad and a fail. As you say its reality. Even when we get a leak its reality, but many seem to feel that any leak is bad, that out border is supposed to be 100% secure. It never was meant to be 100% secure. Vaccine response is the latest box of complaints.

While many of these complaints, at least here are politically motivated its still annoying. IMHO its been an excellent response. AS regards the bubble with OZ, as I posted earlier an Australasian bubble is fine, treating the two nations as one nation. But of we get an AUS based case, look out, media frenzy, what failed, who failed, why are we so bad etc. Tiring

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#2672168 12-Mar-2021 09:48

So is there any valid criticism of the response then?

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#2672173 12-Mar-2021 10:06

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So is there any valid criticism of the response then?

Do you want me to say "No there isn't", to support the inherent bias that I commented on? Off course its not been perfect. No where will you find perfection when the playbook was not written, learning on the fly, having to put up with human error even if a process was well put together. And the inevitable process fails. Never happen. For those that have zero tolerance to any issue or leak or case, that's living in a dream world. If you wish to correlate political leanings to the response you will find a clear alignment based on this thread. All I can assess is where we have been and where we are now, its always looked positive despite the daily risks we take with Kiwis coming back and human error. Process gaps get seen and filled, what more can you ask? Plenty apparently

Maybe 4 or 5 times Ive stated that 2 weeks into the first lockdown, it became "its too much, its too long", I'm glad that wasn't acted upon back then. It was NEVER responded to. Health before economy has proven to be the right way to attack the virus, thats still seen as unpalatable by many

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#2672176 12-Mar-2021 10:11

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So is there any valid criticism of the response then?

Apparently not!

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#2672180 12-Mar-2021 10:22

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So is there any valid criticism of the response then?

Apparently not!

I have a friend from another country. This is what he says. In NZ you say well done well done for being average. And you give out certificates for barely trying. So I'd say award medals, don't try to improve anything, lest you get pulled down for overachieving.

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#2672181 12-Mar-2021 10:23

More drivel. Maybe some should take more interest on Covid or perhaps go to the Politics forum to vent away

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#2672182 12-Mar-2021 10:28

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More drivel. Maybe some should take more interest on Covid or perhaps go to the Politics forum to vent away

It's no more drivel, than endlessly defending the Government who failed to recognise issues the average high school student with 10 minutes of thought would consider common sense all because "there was no playbook for this".

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#2672185 12-Mar-2021 10:31

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I have a friend from another country. This is what he says. In NZ you say well done well done for being average. And you give out certificates for barely trying. So I'd say award medals, don't try to improve anything, lest you get pulled down for overachieving.

Good to know we are average, average is I guess a C, that's good enough I guess. So if we listed 190 countries, or the OECD, or any other grouping, we are middle of the pack, that's good to know...

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#2672194 12-Mar-2021 10:48

Removed a couple of completely politics posts. No need for this here now.

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#2672195 12-Mar-2021 10:49

Australia travel bubble - yes it's time. Obviously there are risks but I think we can manage these. It's quite right that if we do get a case from AU there were be a massive media upheaval, but that can't be helped when a significant quantity of journalists in this country are little more than hacks.

Use that as an opportunity to reduce overall MIQ numbers and free up some hotels to be used as hotels again. If we kept the same overall number of MIQ places we increase our risk exposure massively, simply because it will mean more people coming from Covid hotspots rather than the current 40% from effectively Covid-free Australia. Ultimately reducing the number of people coming here from Covid hotspots reduces our risk and the likelihood of a case leaking from the border.

Our response to the pandemic has hardly been perfect but overall it has been very, very good. I think a lot of people simply want to complain because they don't like the colour of the current government, and are not actually pointing out valid criticisms of our response. That said, there are some aspects of our response that deserve to be challenged and should be improved - but I would also say some commenters (not referring to GZers) don't do this constructively.

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#2672196 12-Mar-2021 10:49

Apologies

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#2672198 12-Mar-2021 10:51

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Our response to the pandemic has hardly been perfect but overall it has been very, very good. I think a lot of people simply want to complain because they don't like the colour of the current government, and are not actually pointing out valid criticisms of our response. That said, there are some aspects of our response that deserve to be challenged and should be improved - but I would also say some commenters (not referring to GZers) don't do this constructively.

Looking at the number of deaths per million (NZ 5, US 1600, UK 1863) I would say our response has been outstanding.

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