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#2764992 22-Aug-2021 17:34

Batman: Herald update 5pm 22/8/21

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-21-new-community-cases-total-hits-72-ashley-bloomfield-chris-hipkins/QMBAR2LZ46BA5SMIMD7QA3Z53Y/

It's going to be far more than the 100 cases they estimated.

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#2764993 22-Aug-2021 17:40

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-five-changes-new-zealand-can-make-to-fight-outbreak/STQLHEWO2EYR5KW6E5V32XGHCA/

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#2764995 22-Aug-2021 17:40

Police catch jet boating men from different bubbles

Seven men from six separate bubbles were caught jet boating by police north of Lake Wānaka.

Police commissioner Andrew Coster said enforcement action would be taken against the men. One of the men had travelled from Dunedin - a four-hour drive, police said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-police-catch-jet-boating-men-from-different-bubbles/4TGWLK2OTFTKT6Q4ZKWVZ3PHCQ/

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#2764998 22-Aug-2021 17:52

mattwnz:

I have observed far more people flouting the rules this time. I saw a whole group of people out the some shops socialising when going for a walk. Then seen reports of streets having street meetups, and complaints about Karens dobbing them in and police being involved. Then there are people driving around, looking at houses etc. I think based on the number of cases we are getting so quickly after the 1st case, that the estimates of 100 cases is far less than we are going to get. I think Auckland coul dbe in lockdown for some time. Hopefully the rest of NZ can come out by the end of this week, or after next weekend, down to a level 3 or 3.5.

Thats human nature. Check Italy March 2020.

Last two days cases were low. No exponential effect. Due to 1. Pre lockdown cases 2. Lockdown. You would expect cases to go from 1 to 6 to 36 to 200. But that's not the case. While Covid is dire, the posts from half glass empty people here doesn't help. If Covid was eliminated from NZ for good on Wednesday, there would still be 35 pages of criticism. Bout time to get over to and hunker down.

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#2764999 22-Aug-2021 17:54

mattwnz:

Batman: Herald update 5pm 22/8/21

280 LoIs

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-21-new-community-cases-total-hits-72-ashley-bloomfield-chris-hipkins/QMBAR2LZ46BA5SMIMD7QA3Z53Y/

It's going to be far more than the 100 cases they estimated.

Give us a number for tomorrow, and Wed and Fri

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#2765000 22-Aug-2021 17:59

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

I have observed far more people flouting the rules this time. I saw a whole group of people out the some shops socialising when going for a walk. Then seen reports of streets having street meetups, and complaints about Karens dobbing them in and police being involved. Then there are people driving around, looking at houses etc. I think based on the number of cases we are getting so quickly after the 1st case, that the estimates of 100 cases is far less than we are going to get. I think Auckland coul dbe in lockdown for some time. Hopefully the rest of NZ can come out by the end of this week, or after next weekend, down to a level 3 or 3.5.

Thats human nature. Check Italy March 2020.

Last two days cases were low. No exponential effect. Due to 1. Pre lockdown cases 2. Lockdown. You would expect cases to go from 1 to 6 to 36 to 200. But that's not the case. While Covid is dire, the posts from half glass empty people here doesn't help. If Covid was eliminated from NZ for good on Wednesday, there would still be 35 pages of criticism. Bout time to get over to and hunker down.

I don't think there have been enough days to really get an idea of trends. But the number of close contacts and the number of high risk areas involving significant numbers of people is the concern I have, and cases can take up to 14 days to develop symptoms. Schools, casinos, churches etc. I am not sure how many of these cases are cases infected by other family members, or have got the virus out in the wild.

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#2765006 22-Aug-2021 18:12

mattwnz:

I don't think there have been enough days to really get an idea of trends. But the number of close contacts and the number of high risk areas involving significant numbers of people is the concern I have, and cases can take up to 14 days to develop symptoms. Schools, casinos, churches etc. I am not sure how many of these cases are cases infected by other family members, or have got the virus out in the wild.

I gather Delta shows symptoms earlier? Aug 7 is day one of the first case I think. Its Aug 22 now. Lockdown was Aug 17. Cases aren't skyrocketing as they should be. Cases will be more, I agree, but lockdown is snuffling it as we speak.

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#2765009 22-Aug-2021 18:17

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

I don't think there have been enough days to really get an idea of trends. But the number of close contacts and the number of high risk areas involving significant numbers of people is the concern I have, and cases can take up to 14 days to develop symptoms. Schools, casinos, churches etc. I am not sure how many of these cases are cases infected by other family members, or have got the virus out in the wild.

I gather Delta shows symptoms earlier? Aug 7 is day one of the first case I think. Its Aug 22 now. Lockdown was Aug 17. Cases aren't skyrocketing as they should be. Cases will be more, I agree, but lockdown is snuffling it as we speak.

so far i have got the numbers of new cases correct except for today where i thought they would be around 40 or so, 21 is good news as it seems lockdown is working

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2765010 22-Aug-2021 18:20

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What do people think about retail (incl supermarkets) being largely exempt from the new QR scanning rules when they come into play?

I'm struggling to understand what the reasoning for that could be.

"This includes cafes, restaurants, bars, casinos and concerts, aged care, healthcare facilities (excluding patients), barbers, exercise facilities, nightclubs, libraries, courts, local and central government agencies, and social services providers with customer service counters"

Was thinking that maybe they made allowance for "nutters" who think they're being spied on, and that would possibly deny them access to food, but there's essential services included in the list above that will cause those nutters some problems if they don't comply.

Once upon a time when Covid had an R0 of 2-3, it wouldn't have mattered so much. Now when it's been shown to be able to be transmitted by passing in the street or between rooms when a door is open for a few seconds, supermarkets have to be at major risk. Supermarkets are one of the most essential of essential services. They're also usually staffed by many young part-time workers who are with delta and our cohorting of vaccine rollout leaving them to last, seem to be the main carriers in Aus.

It's a very very poor decision. I hope they change it.

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#2765012 22-Aug-2021 18:25

vexxxboy:

so far i have got the numbers of new cases correct except for today where i thought they would be around 40 or so, 21 is good news as it seems lockdown is working

I feel so. Cases pre lockdown would expand heavily, but at lockdown that stops. yes, I was expecting a lot more than the last two days, but an early lockdown does work. Suffocation. NSW had a late lockdown and it was lite, and they are paying. In a perfect world, 14 days and its history. But its not perfect so a bit more time.

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#2765014 22-Aug-2021 18:27

tdgeek:
I gather Delta shows symptoms earlier? Aug 7 is day one of the first case I think. Its Aug 22 now. Lockdown was Aug 17. Cases aren't skyrocketing as they should be. Cases will be more, I agree, but lockdown is snuffling it as we speak.

~24hrs for symptomatic.

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#2765015 22-Aug-2021 18:30

Yeh Supermarkets are not shy on telling people they can't walk out without paying. :-)
Banning and trespassing people who have done above.

Major Supermarkets use 'Facial Scanning', so you are being tracked by them,
and used to hone recognition algorithms somewhere in the world.

Now they get shy about asking people to QR and mask and providing a free mask to those without, when it does not serve them ?

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#2765016 22-Aug-2021 18:31

Fred99:

I'm struggling to understand what the reasoning for that could be.

Has anyone in the media actually asked him the reasoning?

I also did think that they had changed the level 4 rules, to allow green grocers and butchers to open during level 4, but on a one in/one out basis, like dairies. Does seem a bit odd that supermarkets get the duopoly, which I have noticed resulted in a lack of fresh fruit and veges. I got the last bunch of bananas when I went in. Also noticed food prices have gone up a lot, and so have bog rolls.

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#2765017 22-Aug-2021 18:33

We had issues here in VIC pre-delta with spread through delivery drivers. There was a number of Macca's that ended up with cases after a delivery driver spread it.

I think with the NZ lockdown if someone working in a frontline supermarket role were to get and spread it, it could still be quite localised and controllable, but there could be a lot of risk in supply chain where someone is moving around a lot.

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#2765021 22-Aug-2021 18:40

I agree with the sentiment of many/most/(hopefully all) here. Why not make it mandatory to scan/record entry at all essential locations (supermarkets, medical, etc) right now, and as we move down Alert Levels start making everywhere else compulsory? Just do it.

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