2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2815331 18-Nov-2021 14:47

It will be very fortuitous if the south island remain clean, maybe this time our luck runs out

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-second-covid-19-case-announced-in-christchurch/OA6YXYOUN4T4APXKNH33MNJGVM/

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#2815337 18-Nov-2021 14:55

Batman:

It will be very fortuitous if the south island remain clean, maybe this time our luck runs out

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-second-covid-19-case-announced-in-christchurch/OA6YXYOUN4T4APXKNH33MNJGVM/

Its a household contact, it will grow to 6 even if it doesn't spread. Low vaccination part of the city too. SI will go like the rest, we are just a bit further downsteam.

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#2815342 18-Nov-2021 15:01

A pop up testing site has just appeared in Thames and the local rumor mill is there is a confirmed case.

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#2815344 18-Nov-2021 15:06

HelloThere:

A pop up testing site has just appeared in Thames and the local rumor mill is there is a confirmed case.

I wouldn't really wish anyone to have Covid, but if it's the anti-vax mayor then I may struggle to suppress a Krabappel-esque 'Ha'.

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#2815347 18-Nov-2021 15:13

Answer is the same get vaccinated, get the household vaccinated.
Your chance of catching SARS-Cov2/Covid is lower, if you do, the chances of the rest of household getting it are lower if they are vaccinated.

Friends and associates vaccinated just helps them and you with the people you are most around less likely to be infected.

Christmas and New Year with extended family and older relatives, if they are due for a boost then that's a good idea.
Does not eliminate risk, but does reduce it.
Strength in numbers.

Of course the reverse is true for unvaccinated, weakness in numbers.
So you hold regular mass multigenerational spreading events every weekend, one more roll of the dice.

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#2815351 18-Nov-2021 15:25

Hello, first post...no bugle trumpet welcome required, that would be the last post....and Covid ain't got me....yet...

I found my way here via a banking general google query....I liked the name of the forum...so I figured Geeks must know Covid, and here I am. Interesting to read the opening pages of the thread...as herbs sung...long ago....had we known then what we knew now....crikey....who would have imagined America creeping towards a million deaths in the coming years....and this becoming the 9th worst plague in history depending on your metrics.

From there I skipped to the last three pages, and if they are anything to go by, the tone is oddly adult and sensible....what strange magic is this?

Well done to the regular contributors who must have set the tone for the thread. It has become increasingly difficult to find adult conversation on this topic across the interweb....trying to avoid holes left by rabbits.

I have a keen interest in pandemics. I have been waiting for this type of event for a couple of decades, and here we are. Living it.

There have been so many milestones along the way in the NZ pandemic response, some radical shifts required by the pragmatism and reality of having to fight an endemic disease.

This Covid for Christmas plan, hopefully drives up vaccination rates. There is still a lot to know about Covid. Some of the Questions I am looking forward to include the Oxford trial of Ivermectin results, an answer to the cyclical wave patterns of Covid, the longevity of the enhanced antibody response seen with Pfizer's third shot, and lots of other things...and I really want to see when these second generation vaccines are scheduled for testing, pretty amazing people work hard in this feild. So many things to look forward to.

Just keep swimming...

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#2815356 18-Nov-2021 15:54

MileHighKiwi:
tdgeek:
I'd consider cases of 2000+ daily to be massive. If its not, then maybe our daily cases shouldn't even make the news?

When you consider that around 1,960 of those cases will be asymptomatic or mild, it shouldn't make the news at all. Instead we have red breaking news banners across the media for 1 case letalone 2k, which just freaks people out and drives the hysteria.

Cases are the first indicator. Hospitalisation etc lag by some weeks. The number of cases is proportional to the other statistics.

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#2815378 18-Nov-2021 17:21

Press release:

New Zealanders will soon be able to access a second type of COVID-19 vaccine, Minister for COVID-19 Response Chris Hipkins said.

A shipment of 100,000 doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine arrived in New Zealand today from Australia.

“Enough for 50,000 people, these doses are for people who can’t have the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for medical reasons, and for those who would like an option other than the Pfizer vaccine,” Chris Hipkins said.

“From 26 November, anyone aged 18 and older who wishes to have the AstraZeneca vaccine will be able to book an appointment on BookMyVaccine.nz or by calling Healthline.

“DHBs are preparing to offer the AstraZeneca vaccine, including arranging for specific clinics to administer the vaccine, and making sure the workforce is trained to deliver it.

“AstraZeneca will be available at a limited number of sites across the country as Pfizer is the main COVID-19 vaccine we are using in New Zealand.

“Officials have also been working closely with colleagues in Australia and with AstraZeneca to secure delivery of these doses from the manufacturer in Melbourne.

“We want to thank the Australian Government for their cooperation in providing timely access to these doses and AstraZeneca for their support of this arrangement.

“New Zealand has an advance purchase agreement with AstraZeneca for 7.6 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. The 100,000 doses which have arrived from Australia are part of this original purchase agreement. The COVID-19 Technical Advisory Group provided advice to Cabinet this week on the use of the vaccine in New Zealand. Cabinet has since granted a ‘decision to use’.

“Pfizer remains the preferred COVID-19 vaccine for use in New Zealand and we have enough vaccine supply for everyone to be vaccinated,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Looking at today’s case numbers, and the current geographical spread, I can’t stress enough how important it is that we have as many people as possible vaccinated.

“Vaccination is the best way to protect ourselves, our whānau and our communities against COVID-19.”

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#2815379 18-Nov-2021 17:21

100k astrazeneca doses in the country, purchase agreement for 7 million

What are the chances "that was developed too fast" for people now too

/Edit snap!

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#2815408 18-Nov-2021 19:18

The Oxford Astra zeneca vaccine will be a relief to those who are allergic to the Pfizer ingredient, polyethylene Glycol (PEG). I am pleased for them, and I guess I am pleased for hesitant people who may have been sucked in by the Dna altering fallacy.

Of course some will object to anything given half the chance. There is a rare incidence of blood clots associated with the Astra Zeneca product (not proven, suspected). Also some will not like that it is a Chimp Adeno virus vector vaccine (even though that is not Chimp ingredients, it is an attenuated virus Chimps get that is harmless to humans).

We did pre order Novavax a while back, but unfortunately the company is a start up, and they had problems with manufacturing, they recently signed a deal with a Japanese manufacturer and when I last checked that looks to have resolved their issues.

Novavax is a good vaccine, it is a protein subunit vaccine, so it is older tech, used in the like of some Influenza vaccines, has been around for a few decades....therefore Novavax seems to be the preferred option for the vaccine hesitant.

What we really need to know, is how long lasting is the combo shot approach? Certainly we will find out, since the US has authorized mixing and matching the approved vaccine platforms...we should see some pretty good peer reviewed science emerge on the efficacy of priming the human immune system with multiple vaccine types.

I was looking forward to the Novavax option as the third vaccine shot, since it does seem to be the case, that when you give combo therapy, you get a broader immune response....this is in part why people who recover from Covid, have mostly (one in five develop no immunity for complex reasons) robust immunity from natural infection....because the virus presents an immune challenge in totality, as opposed to the bit part principle of say just presenting a spike protein that was triggered by synthesize mrna.

Just keep swimming...

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#2815442 18-Nov-2021 20:45

Oblivian: 100k astrazeneca doses in the country, purchase agreement for 7 million

What are the chances "that was developed too fast" for people now too

/Edit snap!

Coming out of CSL in Melbourne, which presumably had some form of take or pay contract with the OZ govt ... but will still be feeling a bit jilted by the switcharoo public pressure forced on the Govt...

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#2815448 18-Nov-2021 21:08

Sup:

Novavax is a good vaccine, it is a protein subunit vaccine, so it is older tech, used in the like of some Influenza vaccines, has been around for a few decades....therefore Novavax seems to be the preferred option for the vaccine hesitant.

It seems to be... but it isn't. Already some "vaccine hesitant" are reading about Novavax having issues with purity which is delaying its approval (which is to be expected when rushing traditional vaccines). This and the inevitable side effects reports - normal with any mass medicine rollout - will turn them off it. Hesitancy has nothing to do with mRNA - these people have brains which are incapable of perspective & will always make them focus on the few bad reports.

Fun fact: Over 4.11 billion vaccine doses administered, with the amount of side effects a tiny percentage of the 0.01. If people spent just 1 minute reading reports of the uneventful doses, they would need a lifespan of 7,820 years to read all the reports. Vaccine hesitancy is a mental illness.

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#2815476 18-Nov-2021 23:54

With regard's to alternate vaccines, Many on here are focused on the technical attributes of the various options. To be expected given the name of the forum.

But also consider that there is a more human element to this. There will be people who's opposition to the Pfizer vaccine is tied up in their identity. The new availability of a different vaccine allows a face saving pathway to exit their un-vaccinated position, and to get the perks of a vaccination pass. The relative technical attributes may pale into comparison. Ultimately both vaccines are considered safe and effective.

On Novavax, it got an emergency use approval in the Philippines yesterday. (And it already has the same for Indonesia).

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/philippine-fda-eua-novavax-vaccine/

For the vax-hesitant, The fact it hasn't been in use long enough for rare side effects to be identified, and hit the media, may mean it is portrayed as the safest as all vaccines.

Personally I would be keen for it for my booster. But I doubt it will be available when I become eligible for that in January.

I still consider it the dark horse of covid-19 vaccines due to early stage trials showing it preventing the growth of the virus in primates noses. - So it has the (unproven in human trials) potential to be the best vaccine at slowing transmission of the virus.

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#2815480 19-Nov-2021 00:27

arcon:

Sup:

Novavax is a good vaccine, it is a protein subunit vaccine, so it is older tech, used in the like of some Influenza vaccines, has been around for a few decades....therefore Novavax seems to be the preferred option for the vaccine hesitant.

It seems to be... but it isn't. Already some "vaccine hesitant" are reading about Novavax having issues with purity which is delaying its approval (which is to be expected when rushing traditional vaccines). This and the inevitable side effects reports - normal with any mass medicine rollout - will turn them off it. Hesitancy has nothing to do with mRNA - these people have brains which are incapable of perspective & will always make them focus on the few bad reports.

Fun fact: Over 4.11 billion vaccine doses administered, with the amount of side effects a tiny percentage of the 0.01. If people spent just 1 minute reading reports of the uneventful doses, they would need a lifespan of 7,820 years to read all the reports. Vaccine hesitancy is a mental illness.

I tend to agree about so called hesitancy versus this determination to be obtuse, willfully ignorant, because people bottom line, do not like things that they cannot understand....so they go searching for these self fullfilling facts that align with their emotional core, one of anxiety and miss-trust.

The various Institutions of our societies are great at coming up with euphemisms like "hesitancy" the Americans are particularly good at coming up with smooth ways of saying thorny things....Naff sayings like shelter in place....instead of calling isolation....well isolation.

A regular old Chestnut is someone starting their rant with "I am not an antivaxxer.." which is invariably followed by a flood of Anti vaccine material and sometimes a liberal sprinkling of miss information....with a side of conspiracy sauce.

This is why I wished that Ivermectin worked. Because that would obviously enhance everyone's chances of getting through this thing. We will know for sure when the Oxford study of Ivermectin is published, perhaps by Christmas or early next year. I was hoping the antivaxxers would gravitate towards the new Pfizer pill, but unfortunately like the vaccines....when Antivaxxers cannot breath...and they beg for the Pfizer pill...it will be too late....too late to do anything meaningful at all. A pill that interferes with replication is of no use once optimal viral load is reached and the viruses replication cycle has ended.

Just keep swimming...

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#2815481 19-Nov-2021 00:37

Scott3:

With regard's to alternate vaccines, Many on here are focused on the technical attributes of the various options. To be expected given the name of the forum.

But also consider that there is a more human element to this. There will be people who's opposition to the Pfizer vaccine is tied up in their identity. The new availability of a different vaccine allows a face saving pathway to exit their un-vaccinated position, and to get the perks of a vaccination pass. The relative technical attributes may pale into comparison. Ultimately both vaccines are considered safe and effective.

On Novavax, it got an emergency use approval in the Philippines yesterday. (And it already has the same for Indonesia).

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/philippine-fda-eua-novavax-vaccine/

For the vax-hesitant, The fact it hasn't been in use long enough for rare side effects to be identified, and hit the media, may mean it is portrayed as the safest as all vaccines.

Personally I would be keen for it for my booster. But I doubt it will be available when I become eligible for that in January.

I still consider it the dark horse of covid-19 vaccines due to early stage trials showing it preventing the growth of the virus in primates noses. - So it has the (unproven in human trials) potential to be the best vaccine at slowing transmission of the virus.

Agreed, a lot of people have pinned their anti Pfizer colours to the mast and this affords some, a way out. Good news about authorization, I hope the Filipino folk accept the Novavax, that country has been absolutely bombarded by the global antivaxx movement. It is a mess.

I was keen for a different third vaccine...however after seeing the results of the Pfizer third shot, I actually prefer to have it instead for now. This may not preclude getting an alternate vaccine booster in future.

But the reports of ten times the antibody response to the two shot course, suggests that there is something happening with the third priming of the immune system and possibly the six month gap in combination, giving the immune system a big jolt.

It would be good if it lasts a year, very good if it lasts eighteen months, and excellent if it went two years or more. Certainly if it lasted two years, we would have time to see a lot of progress in the many hundreds of other developments, and it would afford a realistic time frame to learn to eradicate the virus.

New Zealand as an example is working on a long lasting vaccine candidate, using very little funding. If anyone can.................

Just keep swimming...

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