2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2890670 23-Mar-2022 13:41

sen8or:

I can see employment lawyers rubbing their hands together at "discrimination cases" where there is no Govt. directive in play to force vaccine status/declaration.

As long as the "COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020" remains in force, and they use the Govt's assessment tool then they will be safe from any such cases .... but in 6 months time who knows.....

https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/vaccination-assessment-tool/

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#2890681 23-Mar-2022 14:13

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Given that we are what, 95% vaccinated? And the 5% would rather die than be vaccinated, what is the ongoing benefit to vaccine mandates? Is 96% coverage effectively different to 95%?

Who said we are 95% fully vaccinated, it is more like 80%? Do you mean just eligible for vaccination? The problem is many of the public are quoting incorrect figures thinking the rates are higher and getting confused between eligible population and total population. For example young children aren't eligible for vaccination, but they still form part of the population. Last time I heard, there were still about 1,000,000 people still to be fully vaccinated, maybe less now with more children, but fully vaccinated now is apparently going to include people having had their booster, and many people haven't had that yet.

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#2890687 23-Mar-2022 14:24

Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

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#2890717 23-Mar-2022 14:56

rugrat:

Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

They say 1.7 million of the population have had it. But how long does immunity last if you have had the virus compared to having been vaccinated, and does it provide anywhere nears as much protection. Potentially people could catch the virus 4 times a year or more which is a lot.

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#2890718 23-Mar-2022 14:57

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Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

If so, presumes that all those that are unvaccinated have now caught the virus, which isn't the case.

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#2890725 23-Mar-2022 15:05

Technofreak:

rugrat:

Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

If so, presumes that all those that are unvaccinated have now caught the virus, which isn't the case.

Many I know who aren't vaccinated are shielding. I suspect a lot of unvaccinated haven't caught it.

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#2890729 23-Mar-2022 15:08

rugrat:

Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

I don't think so. Vax targets have been met, Boosters well underway although I read there are plenty (500,000 or so, or more) that have not taken them up

The unvaccinated, well cannot help those that cannot help themselves, they don't fall in the 9x% vaccinated and that's fine

Hospital beds are the main metric they aren't blowing out, and apparently only 30% are there for Covid treatment, thats why I feel that the line of ducks is ok now.

Hospital beds rate + Vaccination rate = Open up.

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#2890785 23-Mar-2022 15:21

mattwnz:

rugrat:

Unvaccinated that have caught the virus will have some immunity now as well, that is why I believe the mandates are being dropped in most areas.

They say 1.7 million of the population have had it. But how long does immunity last if you have had the virus compared to having been vaccinated, and does it provide anywhere nears as much protection. Potentially people could catch the virus 4 times a year or more which is a lot.

Someone with the vaccine could also catch it 4 times a year

Immunity from previous affection is considered better than vaccine depending on what you read , but both is considered better than either.

You would think that the body would be more immune having dealt with it for real rather than a simulated case , but who knows.

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#2890823 23-Mar-2022 15:57

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know

Yes not everyone unvaccinated would have caught it, but the ones that have will have some protection which means a greater number of people will have some protection then just the vaccinated numbers.

Also noticed this in household contacts:

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/covid-19-information-household-and-close-contacts#what

“recovered case is exempt from becoming a Household Contact for 90 days after their recovery.”

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#2890983 23-Mar-2022 19:35

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#2891020 23-Mar-2022 21:09

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/coronavirus-unvaccinated-teacher-stood-down-for-a-year-with-no-pay-reacts-to-government-scrapping-mandate.html

As a parent, I personally think this teacher is being quiet selfish: "It's ripping through our country and at the end of the day, having a vaccinated teacher or an unvaccinated teacher in the classroom probably is not going to make much of a difference" - I note her misinformed comments too on the vaccine: She was at the Parliament protests and believes the COVID-19 vaccine is experimental.

Yet another reason she should never be allowed near a classroom ever again - what if she starts teaching kids the vaccine is "experimental"? Thank God she doesn't teach at any schools my boys go to.

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#2891053 23-Mar-2022 22:50

Not surprising scanning and passes are going. I think keeping passes in high risk settings probably would have been a good idea.

I am quite surprised at how much the vaccine mandates have eased, particularly for teaching.

I do wonder how vaccination for Covid 19 (specifically as opposed to other vaccinations) interfaces with health and safety law, after the Covid-19 legislation no longer applies, as that sort of is the only avenue left for employers who mandate it.

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#2891092 24-Mar-2022 08:08

Another thought I had, although this might be a bridge too far. I wonder if some of these antivaxxers in a role of trust (ie, teaching) could be likened to the thugs who invaded the Capitol last January - most of them (if not all) lost their jobs. Could the same thing happen here? If they won't take personal responsibility for their own health, why should they be allowed to be in a position where they're responsible for my kids (and their health)?

Sorry, this has just made me really unhappy. I hope she's not reinstated and finds another job doing something not dealing with people face-to-face.

Edit: I see the Government has come out justifying what they're doing: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/chris-hipkins-defends-removing-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-for-teachers-amid-concern-for-vulnerable-children.html

Doesn't change my point on this selfish teacher though.

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#2891102 24-Mar-2022 08:51

quickymart:

If they won't take personal responsibility for their own health, why should they be allowed to be in a position where they're responsible for my kids (and their health)?

Bingo. Teachers by and large have been excellent when it comes to getting vaccinated, both and an individual level and at a professional body level.

I really do wonder about some teachers out there who argue that they have such vital experience for such an important role as 'shaping young minds' but will then ignore mask orders, health mandates, attend illegal protests and trespass on government buildings, etc. At some point, there is a question about being a proper and fit person, and such behaviour raises questions about whether they will deviate from a curriculum that they may not personally agree with. Probably an important question given the imported nature of some of the protests and the backlash against CRT in the States from similar groups; do we want people who buy into that teaching our new history curriculum? What sort of slant will they put on it?

Like, either this stuff matters or it doesn't. If it does, then are they really suitable in a classroom environment around impressionable children? If not, then what do we care? Just sack them and replace them with fresh teaching grads, and move on.

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#2891170 24-Mar-2022 09:29

Fully agree with you there - she shouldn't be teaching at all. I'm hopeful teachers like her are very much in the minority.

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