2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2453176 2-Apr-2020 16:34

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No. Read the article:

"Fletcher Building has proposed its executives take a 15 per cent cut in pay, but other staff could see a 70 per cent slash in income in the weeks after the coronavirus lockdown"

People get a 70% pay cut. Bosses get a 15% pay cut.

This necessarily also means that the most painful pay cuts for staff are actually going to occur when they company expects them to be able to work. So yeah doubly classy.

Fletcher Building -- you dicks.

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#2453177 2-Apr-2020 16:38

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@debo:

So people who are working still get 100% except senior executives who get 85%.

People who are not doing any work can choose to avoid redundancy (for now) and still get paid at a reduced amount.

Once they go back to work they get 100% again.

Sorry, but can you explain you 'dick' comment? I don't follow.

No. Read the article:

"Fletcher Building has proposed its executives take a 15 per cent cut in pay, but other staff could see a 70 per cent slash in income in the weeks after the coronavirus lockdown"

People get a 70% pay cut. Bosses get a 15% pay cut.

No. Yes. From the article: "We are following up with our people to discuss options that they can consider as an alternative. However, we have made it clear that we are not in a position to continue to pay our people who are not working at 100 per cent of their usual pay."

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#2453179 2-Apr-2020 16:41

Are you just trying to be obtuse? What just about everyone is getting is the point that a bunch of highly paid senior management and execs want people's pay packets to be severely hit whilst they just lose the cherry on top of their large cake. Hey if that doesn't offend you, that's cool but don't act like no one has a legitimate reason for finding this objectionable.

Edit: "Packets" not "pockets".

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#2453181 2-Apr-2020 16:45

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I don't know. I guess I feel that if this thing can be eliminated in 4-6 weeks then kudos to our PM. If not, then I think that there is a legitimate moral dilemma. To what extent should people have their lives restricted so that elderly people who have already led good long lives, can live a bit longer. Should schools, pre schools & universities be open? What about cafes & restaurants? What about bars and nightclubs? Weekend sports? libraries & swimming pools?

Sorry but this is an idiotic argument. I am 75 with a lung condition but I still enjoy my life and it is the height of self-important stupid blind arrogance to make the kinds of statements about me and others like me that you are making.

Apart from that, and the fact that your dumb assertion about the value of elderly lives really pisses me off, your logic is also stupid. According to the best current information, young people who develop severe cases of this disease quickly turn into old people, with compromised breathing, brittle bones and failing organs. Just the people you seem to think are expendable because they have already lived such long and happy lives. Except there is a fair chance that youthful party animals who recover will no longer have much of either.

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#2453184 2-Apr-2020 16:49

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My guess is if they were all sitting in Auckland ready to go this would be happening already. Likely the 12000 are strewn all around the country and have to be transported to Auckland. It's a fairly significant logistical problem that need to be sorted inside the country

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#2453185 2-Apr-2020 16:49

dejadeadnz:

Are you just trying to be obtuse? What just about everyone is getting is the point that a bunch of highly paid senior management and execs want people's pay packets to be severely hit whilst they just lose the cherry on top of their large cake. Hey if that doesn't offend you, that's cool but don't act like no one has a legitimate reason for finding this objectionable.

Edit: "Packets" not "pockets".

I've gotta say, I don't think the article is very clear either.

It could be senior execs (presumably still working) taking 15% cut, non-working employees taking 70%, and working employees still on full pay?

They surely couldn't cut working employees wage by 70%, surely that would be below minimum wage for many of them?

I don't think there's enough info in the article to judge it either way.

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#2453186 2-Apr-2020 16:53

debo:

freitasm:

"Fletcher Building has proposed its executives take a 15 per cent cut in pay, but other staff could see a 70 per cent slash in income in the weeks after the coronavirus lockdown"

People get a 70% pay cut. Bosses get a 15% pay cut.

No. Yes. From the article: "We are following up with our people to discuss options that they can consider as an alternative. However, we have made it clear that we are not in a position to continue to pay our people who are not working at 100 per cent of their usual pay."

Just wondering what all those senior executives are going to actually do for their 85% pay. Given that maybe 85% of work is on hold, surely there isn't going to be 85% of their normal workload for them to do.

And I'm thinking that some people (e.g. HR, payroll, IT) may be working at more than their normal workload.

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#2453187 2-Apr-2020 16:53

Please be mindful the user dogstar001 can no longer post in this sub-forum or topic - s/he is not ignoring you, just blocked.

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#2453189 2-Apr-2020 16:55

Rikkitic:

young people who develop severe cases of this disease quickly turn into old people, with compromised breathing, brittle bones and failing organs.

Possibly even these organs:

Although no research has confirmed that novel coronavirus damages the testes and affects male fertility, it is highly similar to the SARS virus and these infections invade the same cell receptor, namely ACE2. The SARS virus infection can cause severe immune damage to the testes, causing orchitis and dysfunction of some reproductive-related cells.

Theoretically speaking, the COVID-19 infection may cause testicular damage, affecting sperm production and androgen synthesis, the team experts said.

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#2453190 2-Apr-2020 16:55

Paul1977:

They surely couldn't cut working employees wage by 70%, surely that would be below minimum wage for many of them?

I don't think there's enough info in the article to judge it either way.

They could also be trying to cut people's working hours.

Whilst I also agree that the article isn't 100% clear (and before people immediately launch into "It's Stuff! And they are making it up!" rants, I'd say from having experience of vetting corporate internal comms, they are frequently unclear), it is fairly obvious that the senior management/execs are wanting the workers to take lots of pain whilst taking relatively little themselves. 15% pay cut for their levels is low compared to what senior management/execs in other affected large companies are taking.

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#2453192 2-Apr-2020 17:01

dejadeadnz:

They could also be trying to cut people's working hours.

Whilst I also agree that the article isn't 100% clear (and before people immediately launch into "It's Stuff! And they are making it up!" rants, I'd say from having experience of vetting corporate internal comms, they are frequently unclear), it is fairly obvious that the senior management/execs are wanting the workers to take lots of pain whilst taking relatively little themselves. 15% pay cut for their levels is low compared to what senior management/execs in other affected large companies are taking.

I don't disagree, I just wonder if it's not quite as unfair as it's been painted in the article.

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#2453193 2-Apr-2020 17:01

Press release:

Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19.

"For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up and to work in new ways and they must be supported," says David Clark.

"The public relies on their services and we need to do as much as possible to protect and sustain these critical workforces. They’re a truly essential part of front-line health care delivery, particularly now we’re at Alert Level 4.

“That’s why we’ve put in place an initial $30 million funding plan for these sectors – which is part the $500 million COVID-19 health package announced last month. This money began flowing to GPs and pharmacies this week.

"We heard sector concerns that they needed support to work differently and sustainably at this very testing time. This support package goes some way towards the immediate needs, but we know there'll be more to be done.

"Under this package, financial support has been developed to provide early support to general practice and community pharmacy. The initial payments are to recognise additional workload, and how work is changing under COVID-19.

“The general practice funding package consists of a $15 million general practice response payment aimed to support general practices with workload from testing patients and the costs incurred moving to virtual consultations.

“There will be an additional payment to District Health Boards (DHBs) to support the setup, implementation and running costs of Community Based Assessment Centres (CBACs). Funding will be available to general practices who have agreed with DHBs to form part of the CBACs network.

“The community pharmacy funding package totalling $15 million is a support payment for all community pharmacy service providers to recognise the increased workload and for the way they’re moving into a virtual working environment alongside general practice.

“COVID-19 is a complex challenge, and it requires complex solutions which can respond to changing situations.

“Within the detail of these packages, we will also be taking into account high needs populations and the size of practices and pharmacies.

“We will also regularly review what other support may be required and clearly this will depend on the length and severity of the impact of COVID-19 on New Zealanders.

“We know we are all in this together and the New Zealanders working in the community pharmacy and general practice make up the cornerstones of the New Zealand response to a global challenge.

"I know the public would want me to thank them all as we weather the storm of COVID-19,” David Clark says.

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#2453194 2-Apr-2020 17:01

Paul1977:

I've gotta say, I don't think the article is very clear either.

It could be senior execs (presumably still working) taking 15% cut, non-working employees taking 70%, and working employees still on full pay?

They surely couldn't cut working employees wage by 70%, surely that would be below minimum wage for many of them?

I don't think there's enough info in the article to judge it either way.

It is a totally click bait article designed to annoy keyboard warriors. If working employees were getting a pay cut then they would have said it. They should be giving payroll a bonus though. They will have way more than 40hrs per week of work but probably on salary so no extra pay.

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#2453195 2-Apr-2020 17:01

Press release (@tinkerisk):

The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said.

“When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the Government rightly prioritised public health, and limited the movement of people so as to restrict the spread of COVID-19. But it is clear that many foreign nationals travelling here do not have the resources or capability to adequately self-isolate, and wish to return home,” said Mr Peters.

“We have taken the time and care to develop a seriously detailed plan for the exit of foreign nationals, without endangering the lives of others,” Mr Peters said.

Under the managed exit plan:

Foreign nationals returning home will be considered to be engaging in “essential travel”, and therefore able to travel domestically (whether by air or land) when they have a confirmed and scheduled international flight out of New Zealand, subject to requirements which will be set out on www.covid19.govt.nz
Foreign governments will be allowed to organise charter flights to repatriate their citizens, but only if they can satisfy New Zealand health requirements
Commercial capacity between New Zealand and Europe will be increased, by New Zealand approving a second daily flight between Doha to Auckland by Qatar Airways
It is expected that the first foreign government-organised charter flight, operated by Air New Zealand, could leave New Zealand as early as Friday evening. Commercial options continue to be available to stranded foreign nationals.

Mr Peters said the public health and economic considerations of New Zealand and New Zealanders were paramount in the decision to facilitate the managed exit of stranded foreign nationals.

“We are conscious that returning foreign nationals to their home countries will reduce the potential pressure on health services in New Zealand, and reduce the risk of welfare issues developing for those people who are stranded and unable to afford to be here much longer.”

Mr Peters emphasised that travel restrictions associated with Alert Level 4 would continue to apply for all foreign nationals, except for those travelling to leave the country.

“If you do not have a confirmed international ticket, then you must stay in self-isolation. Stay put and continue to follow Alert Level 4 guidelines and maintain your bubble.

“New Zealanders returning home from overseas will continue to be subject to strict screening and self-isolation requirements; and domestic travel by New Zealanders will continue to be reserved for essential workers only.

“Given that Air New Zealand intends to fly charter flights from New Zealand to Europe for European governments, we will explore the extent to which New Zealanders can return in the planes on the way back,” Mr Peters said

Foreign nationals seeking to leave New Zealand will not be allowed to leave self-isolation to travel if they are at risk of COVID-19. This includes anyone who:

Has been diagnosed with COVID-19;
Has symptoms consistent with COVID-19;
Is waiting for COVID-19 results;
Is a close contact of a suspected/probable/confirmed case of COVID-19; or
Has travelled internationally in past 14 days.
“All passengers will also be required to complete any health requirements as necessary at their airport of departure,” Mr Peters said.

Further details are available at www.covid19.govt.nz.

Foreign nationals should contact their Embassy or High Commission for further advice.

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#2453196 2-Apr-2020 17:03

@dejadeadnz I am fully expecting a request for tax payer bail out to support Mr Taylors $2.5million per annum salary. I hope Jacinda Ardern firmly and clearly shows him a middle finger if this disgusting display of appalling judgement goes ahead.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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