2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2426767 25-Feb-2020 10:21

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If you get it, what can you do? Ive read that people are 'cured" afterwards, but there is no cure? What would hospitals be doing? It strikes me that if and when we get it here, that it would be good to hear what in-home treatment we can apply.

The cure is by the body's immune system destroying the virus into oblivion.

I have heard there are some experimental antiviral treatments that assist the body's immune system to be more effective at identifying the virus to destroy.

Ok, so its just about rest and quarantine, keep fluids up. If it gets here we need to look after the vulnerabke and everyone else gets snet home on strict quarantine to ride it out

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#2426768 25-Feb-2020 10:23

tdgeek:

If you get it, what can you do?

Ive read that people are 'cured" afterwards, but there is no cure?

What would hospitals be doing?

It strikes me that if and when we get it here, that it would be good to hear what in-home treatment we can apply.

At present there is no Coronavirus "Cure" but in 98% of cases your body's immune system with destroy the virus..

What do hospitals do.. well in most cases they will be treating any complications that arise, lung and breathing problems being the big ones, and then wait for your immune system to kill the virus.

As for home case, its like any "flu" .....fluids, rest, continued healthy eating, cleanliness etc ..

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#2426769 25-Feb-2020 10:25

Batman:

tdgeek:

If you get it, what can you do? Ive read that people are 'cured" afterwards, but there is no cure? What would hospitals be doing? It strikes me that if and when we get it here, that it would be good to hear what in-home treatment we can apply.

The same as influenza, measles, etc.

Don’t get breathing problems with influenza, plus get vaccine each year to make it milder if get it.

Suffer from asthma, don’t know how much but believe medication works by suppressing the immune system.

Measles had in child hood so not an issue.

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#2426770 25-Feb-2020 10:28

wellygary:

tdgeek:

If you get it, what can you do?

Ive read that people are 'cured" afterwards, but there is no cure?

What would hospitals be doing?

It strikes me that if and when we get it here, that it would be good to hear what in-home treatment we can apply.

At present there is no Coronavirus "Cure" but in 98% of cases your body's immune system with destroy the virus..

What do hospitals do.. well in most cases they will be treating any complications that arise, lung and breathing problems being the big ones, and then wait for your immune system to kill the virus.

As for home case, its like any "flu" .....fluids, rest, continued healthy eating, cleanliness etc ..

Yes,thanks. For containment it has to be dont go to doctor, don't go to hospital (unless you are vulnerable) and dont have any contact with anyone. Arrange to get food dropped off by friends or family. Supermarkets would also need to step up with online orders. Otherwise it just spreads here quite easily IMHO

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#2426771 25-Feb-2020 10:32

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Yes,thanks. For containment it has to be dont go to doctor, don't go to hospital (unless you are vulnerable) and dont have any contact with anyone. Arrange to get food dropped off by friends or family. Supermarkets would also need to step up with online orders. Otherwise it just spreads here quite easily IMHO

And don't attend weddings with everyone wearing masks and kissing through the masks. I'm not going to insert the link as it nearly killed me.

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#2426822 25-Feb-2020 11:54

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Fred99: China has an epidemic out of control, they clamp down on travel within China, quarantining 60 million people, restricting travel and public congregation for some 700 million others.

frankv: I think it's a bit strong to say it's still out of control in China...

Fred99: It was out of control / exponential at the time they applied quarantines/travel restrictions.

Right. But you used the present tense "has".

Yeah - but I used it a couple of hours ago...

Much depends on whether we're getting accurate information on the progress of the epidemic in China.
At some point you'd probably just give up with rRT PCR sample testing. It's not accurate (false negatives), case numbers are at a level where you're not going to be making many wrong diagnoses as Covid 19 cases are vastly outnumbering seasonal flu. You don't have an effective cure for either flu or Covid 19, so unless the case is severe then there's no point finding out as the treatment would be the same anyway - exception for severe cases where they might try experimental treatments which are supposedly showing some promise (antivirals, chloroquine etc).

I suspect China has already done that. They reversed the decision from Hubei Health Department to include "clinical diagnosis" in the daily reports, and that coincides perfectly with a trend - the marked decrease in number of new confirmed cases.

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#2426825 25-Feb-2020 11:56

Jacinda Ardern said we had 9 million 'P2' masks ready in case of an outbreak.

It wouldn't take very long for a country of 4.7 million to burn threw those, if a good percentage of people used one per day.

You'd hope people like taxi driver, bus drivers, daycare workers, grocery and restaurant workers and the like would be using these.

'Very high chance' coronavirus will reach NZ - Jacinda Ardern

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says it's "not realistic to assume" COVID-19 will never reach New Zealand, and the current travel restrictions can't go on forever.

The virus has so far infected nearly 80,000 people, killing nearly 2500 of them. The vast majority of the deaths - 2346 - have been in China's Hubei province, where the outbreak began. It's now starting to spread in other countries, most notably South Korea, Japan, Italy, Singapore and Iran.

New Zealand has had travel restrictions on mainland China, banning foreigners who've been there since February 2 from entering New Zealand. The ban is being reviewed every 48 hours, and was last extended for another eight days on Saturday.

Ardern told The AM Show on Monday it won't last forever, but is expected to be extended again "for a little while longer".

But she hasn't heard anyone suggest we close our borders entirely.

"Those border restrictions to what was the epicentre of the outbreak have given us the time to understand the virus and way it is transmitting," she told host Duncan Garner.

"No one is proposing for a moment that New Zealand close off its borders. I don't think that would be the way to manage this. Having said that, it's likely we will keep what we have with that main epicentre of the outbreak in place for a little while longer."

"Given the spread and the reach, given that we aren't talking about just cases in mainland China - you are seeing reasonably significant outbreaks outside of that - there is a very high chance of having a case in New Zealand.

"But of course because of good planning, we will and should be able to stop that ongoing human-to-human transmission and be able to contain [it]. That's what we have to be prepared for, and we are."

The masks are part of the national reserve supply. The masks last about 10 years in storage, and are regularly topped up - the most recent batch bought was 527,000, and the year before nearly 4 million were purchased.
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#2426831 25-Feb-2020 12:08

"But of course because of good planning, we will and should be able to stop that ongoing human-to-human transmission and be able to contain [it].

I have no idea how she reaches that conclusion. Apart from a few dozen seafood market shoppers, every case is person to person

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#2426835 25-Feb-2020 12:14

tdgeek:

"But of course because of good planning, we will and should be able to stop that ongoing human-to-human transmission and be able to contain [it].

I have no idea how she reaches that conclusion. Apart from a few dozen seafood market shoppers, every case is person to person

You can't locally (NZ) if it goes pandemic globally.

The best that could be achieved is to slow it down - and that is critical as if it became as bad as it is in Wuhan, then the healthcare system falls.

Even with ~800 cases in Korea, they've run out of negative ventilation room isolation beds.

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#2426841 25-Feb-2020 12:24

Fred99:

tdgeek:

"But of course because of good planning, we will and should be able to stop that ongoing human-to-human transmission and be able to contain [it].

I have no idea how she reaches that conclusion. Apart from a few dozen seafood market shoppers, every case is person to person

You can't locally (NZ) if it goes pandemic globally.

The best that could be achieved is to slow it down - and that is critical as if it became as bad as it is in Wuhan, then the healthcare system falls.

Even with ~800 cases in Korea, they've run out of negative ventilation room isolation beds.

IMO JA giving us all the positive words, will just dampen the efforts of Joe and Joanne Average doing their bit, as JA said it will be ok, and the Govt will take care of it. Individual effort is really needed for containment

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#2426848 25-Feb-2020 12:43

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IMO JA giving us all the positive words, will just dampen the efforts of Joe and Joanne Average doing their bit, as JA said it will be ok, and the Govt will take care of it. Individual effort is really needed for containment

Yes - individual effort will be required - and it won't be easy. For example avoid touching your face - what if you wear glasses? People coughing/sneezing, then it ends up on floors, then shoes, the virus can survive for hours on surfaces - how are you going to remove your shoes? If you want to wear a mask, then how are you going to get it on/off and sealed without using your hands?

I suspect the biggest problem will be schools/kids. It appears that they could be asymptomatic carriers / super-spreaders. If anybody successfully got kids to stop sticking their fingers up their noses etc, then they probably misled themselves because the kids will still do it - even if not in plain sight.

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#2426849 25-Feb-2020 12:48

Fred99:

tdgeek:

IMO JA giving us all the positive words, will just dampen the efforts of Joe and Joanne Average doing their bit, as JA said it will be ok, and the Govt will take care of it. Individual effort is really needed for containment

Yes - individual effort will be required - and it won't be easy. For example avoid touching your face - what if you wear glasses? People coughing/sneezing, then it ends up on floors, then shoes, the virus can survive for hours on surfaces - how are you going to remove your shoes? If you want to wear a mask, then how are you going to get it on/off and sealed without using your hands?

I suspect the biggest problem will be schools/kids. It appears that they could be asymptomatic carriers / super-spreaders. If anybody successfully got kids to stop sticking their fingers up their noses etc, then they probably misled themselves because the kids will still do it - even if not in plain sight.

Yes, agree on all counts.

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#2426850 25-Feb-2020 12:50

From https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Recovered numbers have exceeded new cases for most of the last week. So the number of people with the disease is falling.

Assuming the numbers are accurate.

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#2426862 25-Feb-2020 13:15

frankv:

Assuming the numbers are accurate.

Why would the Chinese Communist Party want them to be accurate? It's probably better for them to tweak the figures. Nobody from outside is looking and they've done it before - they just need to be careful about covering their tracks.

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#2426871 25-Feb-2020 13:27

Given that China has locked itself away, and that many countries have all but closed the border, my concern is elsewhere. As few, if any countries will be able to lockdown as well as China has, and that is the danger. What you will find is that other countries may show a very clear exponential growth, where as China's has been relatively linear. Once the single at risk country, becomes 25 at risk countries, each with exponential growth, we may as well just give up and push hard for a vaccine.

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