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#2951097 5-Aug-2022 16:38

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Seems to be about face to the earlier COVID era which was highly lethal to oldies. Back then it there was a lack of medical knowledge and drugs to deal with it.

Now we see oldies with light or no symptoms and youngies with nasty symptoms. Could be down to the dose/viral load. If you get a tiny dose perhaps your vaccinated immune system can defeat it before it gets established, but a large dose gets ahead of your defenses?

I know of one elderly (90+) person unvaccinated who has just had Covid. They didn't know they had it until they were tested during a surveillance test. They ended up with a few symptoms but it wasn't all that bad and have made a prompt and full recovery. The isolation had a bigger impact than Covid did.

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#2951108 5-Aug-2022 17:14

Eva888: Watching some European news. In Austria they have dropped requirements for isolation. You can have Covid and go to work as long as you wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I fully support this. Eventually we need to forget about Covid and move on. If you feel unwell or test positive stay at home to you feel better then head back to work. The world can't stop just because of Covid.

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#2951115 5-Aug-2022 17:34

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Eva888: Watching some European news. In Austria they have dropped requirements for isolation. You can have Covid and go to work as long as you wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I fully support this. Eventually we need to forget about Covid and move on. If you feel unwell or test positive stay at home to you feel better then head back to work. The world can't stop just because of Covid.

They need to stop the everyone in the flat needs to isolate because one person has it. They're more likly to get it if forced to stay in the same house as the sick person rather than being away from the place for most of the day. Its killing productivity with large flats and doesn't achieve anything good.

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#2951192 6-Aug-2022 06:36

Eva888: Watching some European news. In Austria they have dropped requirements for isolation. You can have Covid and go to work as long as you wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I think that is where we will eventually end up. We just don’t have the workforce to stay home and disrupt services on an ongoing basis in the future. Certain sectors are having difficulty filling jobs even without covid.

richms: They need to stop the everyone in the flat needs to isolate because one person has it. They're more likly to get it if forced to stay in the same house as the sick person rather than being away from the place for most of the day. Its killing productivity with large flats and doesn't achieve anything good.

Australia ditched the household contact some time ago. If you have no symptoms and test negative you can go out, just wear a mask. It’s not much different to going to a bar where you’re likely to be exposed and then carry on about your business the next day. Being in the same house isn’t a guarantee you’ll get covid.

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#2951244 6-Aug-2022 10:58

HelloThere:
Eva888: Watching some European news. In Austria they have dropped requirements for isolation. You can have Covid and go to work as long as you wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I fully support this. Eventually we need to forget about Covid and move on. If you feel unwell or test positive stay at home to you feel better then head back to work. The world can't stop just because of Covid.

Honest question here: where do you draw the line?

Should I come in with chickenpox, or flu? What about ebola? Is the line based on just the death rate, or also the unpleasantness of symptoms? What about long term side effects, knowing that adult cases of chickenpox can lead to shingles, or mumps can sterilize you?

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#2951255 6-Aug-2022 11:26

There are two issues affecting this. First, Covid has caused enormous disruption and people are just over it. That frustration makes them want to lower their guard. Second, not everyone who catches it develops serious illness, at least not right away (the jury on long covid is still out). That makes people more willing to take the risk. Together, these things create a false sense of confidence: can't be bothered anymore and it isn't that bad anyway. The result is people who want to forget about it and move on, and people who head back to work when they feel better. The consequence is Covid will never be eliminated and reckless behaviour will cause it to keep evolving into even deadlier forms. Thanks a lot, selfish person.

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#2951298 6-Aug-2022 12:48

chatterbox: I think that is where we will eventually end up. We just don’t have the workforce to stay home and disrupt services on an ongoing basis in the future. Certain sectors are having difficulty filling jobs even without covid.

I'm not necessarily advocating for dropping isolation requirements, but my recent experiences have really highlighted just how badly staff shortages are crippling the economy:

Contacted my lawyer's office multiple times using multiple methods of contact over a period of weeks to try to get an appointment. No-one ever gets back to me.
Tried to get a joiner to do a minor cabinetry modification. He came over weeks ago and made up some plans, but has gone quiet and I can no longer contact him.
Getting some simple signage made on behalf of my residents' association. The wait time stretches out for many weeks.
The residents' association is also trying to get a piece of asphalt repaired. No-one wants the job.
At work one of our suppliers failed to deliver a data set that we are paying a monthly subscription for. Account manager not answering our emails, phone calls through to their Auckland, Sydney and Melbourne offices all going to voicemail. After a huge amount of chasing they eventually admitted they had been 'too busy' to do it due to staff sickness.

It's basically becoming impossible to get anything done.

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#2951299 6-Aug-2022 12:50

Oh, and out of interest, I am in Taupo for marathon weekend and apparently there is no pandemic here. Hardly anyone is wearing masks, and that includes staff preparing food and interacting with motel guests.

It's quite different from what I see in Wellington.

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#2951313 6-Aug-2022 14:25

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chatterbox: I think that is where we will eventually end up. We just don’t have the workforce to stay home and disrupt services on an ongoing basis in the future. Certain sectors are having difficulty filling jobs even without covid.

I'm not necessarily advocating for dropping isolation requirements, but my recent experiences have really highlighted just how badly staff shortages are crippling the economy:

At the risk of derailing things further…this is indeed all super average, and we’ve also had problems at work. The solution though, is not in dropping restrictions and having Joe come to work sick as a dog and infecting the rest of the office. Especially if you can get reinfected 3-4 weeks after recovering. In a large enough office, you could easily have a localised endemic infection just circulate. Nice!
I suspect that solutions will be found at least partially in resetting expectations around how quickly things get done, and how much person-power is needed for a given job.

More on topic, I got Covid recently, and it took me about 6 weeks until I felt back to how I was before getting it. That’s double jabbed and boosted. I am not in a hurry for round two!

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#2951314 6-Aug-2022 14:26

alasta:

Oh, and out of interest, I am in Taupo for marathon weekend and apparently there is no pandemic here. Hardly anyone is wearing masks, and that includes staff preparing food and interacting with motel guests.

It's quite different from what I see in Wellington.

Funny that, I was in Taupo 3 weeks ago and I'm sure that's where I caught it even though I was wearing a mask everywhere it was required and most times even when it wasn't required.

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#2951322 6-Aug-2022 15:16

Rikkitic:

There are two issues affecting this. First, Covid has caused enormous disruption and people are just over it. That frustration makes them want to lower their guard. Second, not everyone who catches it develops serious illness, at least not right away (the jury on long covid is still out). That makes people more willing to take the risk. Together, these things create a false sense of confidence: can't be bothered anymore and it isn't that bad anyway. The result is people who want to forget about it and move on, and people who head back to work when they feel better. The consequence is Covid will never be eliminated and reckless behaviour will cause it to keep evolving into even deadlier forms. Thanks a lot, selfish person.

I've given this quite a bit of thought. I have to ask which side of the equation is being selfish. I haven't had Covid and don't want to have it, but is it selfish to keep imposing the restrictions/isolation periods we have for Covid here in New Zealand especially when you know how few restrictions there are in many places overseas now including the likes of Australia?

I personally know quite a few people now who have had Covid both vaxxed and unvaxxed. They've all (bar one) recovered quite quickly, for some it was pretty mild others who had a day or so where they were unwell. One case I heard of in the last day (not a personal acquaintance) had Covid then the flu. The flu was much worse than Covid for them. While we keep hearing of bad cases how many are there in relation to the total number of infections and how bad are the effects of the current variants of Covid compared to the flu?

How much disruption do we accept versus how much benefit there is from the current restrictions/isolation periods?

Which ever way you go there are significant impacts for some individuals. There are the obvious health impacts from Covid itself and then there are the severe impacts it's having on jobs, the financial impacts on the individuals and families involved and the mental health of many of those individuals. For one person I know the isolation while they had Covid had a far more significant impact than Covid did.

Where do you draw the line? Like the flu it will not be eliminated, we will have to learn to live with it.

Once upon a time I would have agreed with your "selfish person" comment, now I'm leaning towards thinking that those wanting to keep all the restrictions might be the selfish ones.

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#2951331 6-Aug-2022 15:58

Do you reckon the general Covid chat could go in the Covid thread?

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#2951332 6-Aug-2022 16:01

Technofreak:
Where do you draw the line? Like the flu it will not be eliminated, we will have to learn to live with it.

Once upon a time I would have agreed with your "selfish person" comment, now I'm leaning towards thinking that those wanting to keep all the restrictions might be the selfish ones.

This is all totally true, but I feel like you need to quantify it. Where IS your line?
Flu kills circa 500 people a year in NZ, and Covid is currently on track for maybe 6 to 7 thousand. Probably it will level out below that, barring any new variants (7 day average is about 22 last I checked).
My line is approximately 50. Some deaths are probably unavoidable, but beyond that we should do all we can. Yes, I believe our flu toll is unacceptable.

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#2951333 6-Aug-2022 16:02

alasta:

Oh, and out of interest, I am in Taupo for marathon weekend and apparently there is no pandemic here. Hardly anyone is wearing masks, and that includes staff preparing food and interacting with motel guests.

It's quite different from what I see in Wellington.

Queenstown last week was the same, no one wearing masks to pop into petrol stations, stores etc, Ski field cafes not a mask in sight, Big chains that have staff are still trying to hold the line, but most owner operators simply can't stop stupid.. Even in the Airport terminal they numbers not masking were noticable and no one was pulling them up