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#2205585 27-Mar-2019 12:17

Apologies if this has been posted before.

I stumbled across this article from Driven.co.nz about towing with either a PHEV or Ev

https://www.driven.co.nz/advice/car-care/towing-with-electric-vehicles/

That story also mentioned the AA EV Charge finder, host on the AA's time and Distance calculator

https://www.aa.co.nz/travel/time-and-distance-calculator/

Story on the AA website

https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/electric-vehicles-charging-stations/

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#2205696 27-Mar-2019 14:52

The AA EV Charge Finder is interesting but needs a little more work. At a glance it doesn't show WEL (Waikato Electric Lines) chargers, who have been aggressively rolling out a pretty comprehensive network, so it falsely shows the Waikato to be a bit barren of chargers. On the upside it limits search results to NZ locations which other apps do not do.

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#2205702 27-Mar-2019 15:04

GV27:

My understanding is that public charging in Aus is borderline non-existent when compared to NZ.

Most likely because of the duty on importing secondhand cars into Australia compared to Nissan Leafs here in NZ. No cars, no charging stations.

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#2205720 27-Mar-2019 15:10

afe66:

I had impression Australia was a bit anti EV with low uptake and poorer charging infrastructure.

This is true, and since the majority of their electricity is generated in coal-burning plants, the environmental benefits of an EV are significantly less than in NZ.

A lot of this coal burning plant is old and clapped out, so even more polluting than it needs to be, but the "answer" to this problem being promoted by the Tony Abbot wing of the Liberal Party and by the National Party is ... more coal burning plants.

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#2206167 28-Mar-2019 11:53

kingdragonfly: Here's a head-scratching story. Texas is building a large solar farm and world's biggest battery (wait for it) to power oil and gas drilling.

Not really a head scratcher once you get into the details - it takes a lot of electricity to make petrol/diesel. If you can use wind and sun to refine oil, you consume less of your own product to produce your product, therefore have higher productivity and make more money.

This brings up an important point regarding CO2 output rates of ICE vs EV:

ICE ratings are normally severely understated. People always account power station and transmission losses for an EV but only tail pipe emissions on an ICE and not the power station and transmission losses for the electricity to produce and deliver petrol. This is disingenuous/dishonest/unfair because it takes a lot of electricity to produce and deliver petrol. Every step of the process consumes lots of electricity, from pumping oil out of the ground and separating and processing the waste water, to refining it into petrol, then electrically pumping it from the refinery to storage (Whangarei to Auckland pipeline), then pumping it at the gas station. Not to mention the CO2 that the tanker trucks produce in delivering it to the servo.

This is one reason why in a country like Australia where they produce a lot of Electricity from coal, an EV still produces less CO2 than an ICE. The ICE petrol production uses that same dirty electricity, so starts with a big handicap.

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#2206275 28-Mar-2019 14:01

tripper1000:

This brings up an important point regarding CO2 output rates of ICE vs EV:

Don't forget the rare-earth minerals required in many catalysers and the fact that almost no one replaces them once a car hits a certain age. My Mini was Euro IV at new, but probably closer to a 3 on an actual emissions basis.

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#2210222 3-Apr-2019 17:27

And here comes an EV Ute:

http://evtalk.co.nz/great-wall-to-release-500km-range-ev-ute/

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#2210340 3-Apr-2019 20:06

PhantomNVD: And here comes an EV Ute:

http://evtalk.co.nz/great-wall-to-release-500km-range-ev-ute/

That looks interesting ... wonder how waterproof it is ? Don't want to ford a river and fry all the fish and the occupants :-)

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#2210398 3-Apr-2019 21:55

PhantomNVD: And here comes an EV Ute:

http://evtalk.co.nz/great-wall-to-release-500km-range-ev-ute/

Shame its a giant 4 seater clearly made to appeal to the tax evasion people instead of a decent bed size for practical use.

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#2210402 3-Apr-2019 22:06

richms:
PhantomNVD: And here comes an EV Ute:

http://evtalk.co.nz/great-wall-to-release-500km-range-ev-ute/

Shame its a giant 4 seater clearly made to appeal to the tax evasion people instead of a decent bed size for practical use.

To be fair, and accepting that it's a render not an actual picture, if it can fit a quad on the back that's a pretty decent sized bed.

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#2210421 3-Apr-2019 22:55

No they are replacing their planes cars might be more realiable

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joker97: Air New Zealand ... Hmm... Airport buggies?

The Renault Zoe isn't an airport buggie.

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You're thinking of NZ Post? They are importing 550 EV Mail delivery buggies.

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#2210431 3-Apr-2019 23:42

GV27:
tripper1000:

This brings up an important point regarding CO2 output rates of ICE vs EV:

Don't forget the rare-earth minerals required in many catalysers and the fact that almost no one replaces them once a car hits a certain age. My Mini was Euro IV at new, but probably closer to a 3 on an actual emissions basis.

Except that a faulty catalytic converter on its own, wont result in higher carbon emissions. As the carbon that comes out of a cars exhaust pipe has only 2 possible sources. The fuel, and the engine oil. So unless the car is using more fuel or oil than it should, carbon emissions will still be exactly the same.

Car emissions regulations were only originally designed to reduce things like carbon monoxide, unburned hydrocarbon emissions, NOx emissions etc. In other words, reduce local pollution. And since other countries will bear the costs associated with global warming caused by higher carbon emissions. Who cares if carbon emissions are higher than neccessary.

However, those emissions control systems often cause higher fuel usage. And higher fuel usage == higher carbon emissions. And guess who benefits from higher fuel usage? Oil companies and governments due to more fuel tax collected.

The Volkswagen emissions cheating resulted in those cars using less fuel than what they otherwise would have used. Better fuel economy is a major selling point when buying a new car. And since lower fuel use == lower carbon emissions, the salesperson can say with 100% truth that the car is better for the environment, due to having lower carbon emissions. (to prove that is incorrect, you would also need to prove that global warming caused by man made carbon emissions is false).

But Volkswagen received record fines. Because what they did resulted in large reductions in fuel taxes collected by European governments. And large reductions in fuel sales by the large oil companies (which are also often government owned). Yet no one can point out a polluted lake, dead trees, destroyed buildings, dead or injured people etc. And be able to say, that if Volkswagen hadn't cheated on the emissions. That lake, tree, building, person etc. Would be OK. The best they can do, is say things along the lines of- If the cheating didn't happen, then the population on average would have lived slightly longer, and that calculates to alot of deaths.

Yet there have been countless oil spills and other major pollution incidents. Which have caused major direct environmental damage and direct deaths. Yet they dont ever get punished anywhere near as much as what Volkswagen did.

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#2210441 4-Apr-2019 01:04

richms:
PhantomNVD: And here comes an EV Ute:

http://evtalk.co.nz/great-wall-to-release-500km-range-ev-ute/
Shame its a giant 4 seater clearly made to appeal to the tax evasion people instead of a decent bed size for practical use.

Why the sour grapes? I think that it's pretty awesome that there is finally "A" commercial type EV for businesses. I have a friend who was looking at the E-NV200 for his diesel engine reconditioning business (ironically) but decided against it because it was too hard to get 6 Liter engines & heavy transmissions in & out of the back - this would do the job nicely. This could be the start of something big for the commercial users like the Leaf was for the domestic users.

The next big question will be "can it tow?"

Mark:

That looks interesting ... wonder how waterproof it is ? Don't want to ford a river and fry all the fish and the occupants :-)

The Tesla and other EV's are known to ford deeper water than ICE equivalents - no oxygen hungry motor sucking up great gobs of water and hydraulic-locking by mistake.

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#2210721 4-Apr-2019 13:29

No towbar on the render. Without an excellent lifestyle vehicle anyway. Not for everyone without towing that's all.

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#2210722 4-Apr-2019 13:32

GW is a relatively new entrant in the NZ utility market. I'd be surprised if they bring this here. New vehicle in a new category for a new market seems like a risk for the EV sector as a whole.

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