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#2934638 26-Jun-2022 16:44

WyleECoyoteNZ:

Johnston Ebbett in Wellington will be one of the dealers. Had the email from them about it during the week.

Assuming the BYD will be in the same showroom as Kia, interesting.

I sent an email for registering interest but no reply yet.

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#2934836 27-Jun-2022 12:54

PolicyGuy:

Honda dropped out of making F1 engines at the end of 2021.

But I agree with you, they - like the other major Japanese car manufacturers - seem to be way behind on electrifying their product line. They have some Hybrids and fewer Plug-in Hybrids, but the shift to BEVs seems to have been a complete surprise to them, both strategically and tactically. That in itself is surprising, the Japanese manufacturers used to be seen as world-leading.

Not sure I see it that way, it may be just strategic. Whats the costs to the early adopter companies? Honda etc may be just waiting for everyone else to iron out the kinks, see what the real demand is and the real desire from the public, and the latest tech then jump in. Most others have already done the heavy lifting. They and Toyota are no doubt making good coin with their car lineup, risk free.

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#2934905 27-Jun-2022 13:31

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PolicyGuy:

Honda dropped out of making F1 engines at the end of 2021.

But I agree with you, they - like the other major Japanese car manufacturers - seem to be way behind on electrifying their product line. They have some Hybrids and fewer Plug-in Hybrids, but the shift to BEVs seems to have been a complete surprise to them, both strategically and tactically. That in itself is surprising, the Japanese manufacturers used to be seen as world-leading.

Not sure I see it that way, it may be just strategic. Whats the costs to the early adopter companies? Honda etc may be just waiting for everyone else to iron out the kinks, see what the real demand is and the real desire from the public, and the latest tech then jump in. Most others have already done the heavy lifting. They and Toyota are no doubt making good coin with their car lineup, risk free.

EV companies, currently can not make enough product to keep up with demand. Demand is only increasing.

It takes time and substantial money to change your production from ICE to BEV - I have my doubts that the Japanese companies are able to act quickly enough.

They are already well behind the curve. Also, remember how many Japanese car makers have gone through severe financial issues in the last 10-20 years. They are not the businesses they once were and dont have the cash reserves they once had.

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#2934906 27-Jun-2022 13:33

Bz4x and mx-30 make a mockery of that position

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#2934909 27-Jun-2022 13:39

Seeing that they're being sold locally through Andrew Simms, joning the FCA and GWM stable there, pretty much tells me all I need to know.

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#2934910 27-Jun-2022 13:51

SomePostman: [snip]

In Christchurch it's Euromarque; they sell European brands like fiat, Maserati,Porsche and Alfa Romeo. [snip] the dealer has been really good good I've talked to there, they seem like a good business. I was just nervous they were going to try and change me "European'" prices for servicing the car, [snip]

I bought an Infiniti SUV a couple of years ago - one of a handful imported into the country officially and Euromarque was one of the dealers, and remains the official avenue for parts. Anyway, My car had been 'upgraded' by the previous owner to stupid 22" wheels and I really liked the look of the factory 21" wheels so I went in and asked how much to get a set of factory wheels for it...

The service manager went away and came back a few minutes later and said with a slightly apprehensive look on his face "They're not that cheap.. $4800"... Now that's WELL more than even most good aftermarket wheels, but they looked nice so I said I was keen. It was at that point the gent realised our miscommunication...

"Oh no... I mean $4800 _EACH_. Plus GST"

So anyway, after I stopped laughing I decided the current 22" wheels look awesome.

I should note that looking at overseas sources for the wheels, someone in NZ/on the way to NZ is making 250-300%

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#2934916 27-Jun-2022 14:01

robjg63:

EV companies, currently can not make enough product to keep up with demand. Demand is only increasing.

It takes time and substantial money to change your production from ICE to BEV - I have my doubts that the Japanese companies are able to act quickly enough.

They are already well behind the curve. Also, remember how many Japanese car makers have gone through severe financial issues in the last 10-20 years. They are not the businesses they once were and dont have the cash reserves they once had.

Perhaps. ICE to BEV. It takes an effort to change to a new model of an ICE, thats always been fine. I doubt that when they decide to bring out an EV that it will be an idea from the last meeting and start from scratch. Id say its already largely in place, so when they pull the trigger, they bulk of production needs are mostly there. Wait for latest tech, see how the market is, etc. But I doubt they will be scrambling.

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#2934922 27-Jun-2022 14:32

tdgeek:

robjg63:

EV companies, currently can not make enough product to keep up with demand. Demand is only increasing.

It takes time and substantial money to change your production from ICE to BEV - I have my doubts that the Japanese companies are able to act quickly enough.

They are already well behind the curve. Also, remember how many Japanese car makers have gone through severe financial issues in the last 10-20 years. They are not the businesses they once were and dont have the cash reserves they once had.

Perhaps. ICE to BEV. It takes an effort to change to a new model of an ICE, thats always been fine. I doubt that when they decide to bring out an EV that it will be an idea from the last meeting and start from scratch. Id say its already largely in place, so when they pull the trigger, they bulk of production needs are mostly there. Wait for latest tech, see how the market is, etc. But I doubt they will be scrambling.

I think you are mis-understanding the scale of the change in manufacturing going from ICE to BEV.
Basically you have to completely write off your investments in the huge, enormously expensive and high-staffed engine and gearbox plants. No more cast-iron or aluminium blocks; no more pistons, con-rods, crankshafts and camshafts; no more inlet and outlet manifolds, turbochargers, fuel injection systems, DPFs, catalyst converters, tailpipes & mufflers; no more 5 (or 6 or 8) speed gearboxes; no more clutch assemblies. All gone, together with the factories, furnaces and highly paid staff that currently make them.

About the only part of the business that is largely unchanged - in a new year, new model sense - is the panel pressing, painting and final assembly line. That's still an enormous business, but probably (a WAG) only half the existing enterprise

The Old Auto companies are going to have to write off billions and billions of dollars in obsoleted plant over less than ten years.
I hope my KiwiSaver fund doesn't have too much invested in Ford, Toyota, General Motors and so on. Or in service stations, for that matter

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#2934924 27-Jun-2022 14:34

Can we move it back to discussion about BYD?

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#2934926 27-Jun-2022 14:51

https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/byd-confirms-electric-hatchback-sports-sedan-for-nz/

"BYD Auto New Zealand has confirmed the next two models destined for local showrooms; the Atto 2 (dolphin) hatchback and Atto 4 medium sedan

The two models are set to join the recently announced Atto 3, which had its trim levels and pricing

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#2934929 27-Jun-2022 15:03

PolicyGuy:

I think you are mis-understanding the scale of the change in manufacturing going from ICE to BEV.
Basically you have to completely write off your investments in the huge, enormously expensive and high-staffed engine and gearbox plants. No more cast-iron or aluminium blocks; no more pistons, con-rods, crankshafts and camshafts; no more inlet and outlet manifolds, turbochargers, fuel injection systems, DPFs, catalyst converters, tailpipes & mufflers; no more 5 (or 6 or 8) speed gearboxes; no more clutch assemblies. All gone, together with the factories, furnaces and highly paid staff that currently make them.

About the only part of the business that is largely unchanged - in a new year, new model sense - is the panel pressing, painting and final assembly line. That's still an enormous business, but probably (a WAG) only half the existing enterprise

The Old Auto companies are going to have to write off billions and billions of dollars in obsoleted plant over less than ten years.
I hope my KiwiSaver fund doesn't have too much invested in Ford, Toyota, General Motors and so on. Or in service stations, for that matter

We are getting off topic. Car plants are not shutting down ICE manufacturing next year, ICE will be going for many years. It will wind down over time. Just as EV are winding up over time. The profits will continue to be from ICE, and again that will wind down over time

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#2936009 29-Jun-2022 15:17

SomePostman:

"comfort oriented and not meant for spirited driving"

I had a girlfriend like that once. We didn't last.

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#2936015 29-Jun-2022 15:27

I’m wondering what’s so special by the blade battery that they are quoting 550km from the 61kWh pack and 700km from the 81kWh pack in the Atto 4. Will it be tested downhill with a tail wind?

I do like the look of the Atto 4, but then I think the Han is a handsome looking vehicle as well.

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#2936052 29-Jun-2022 16:37

tdgeek:

PolicyGuy:

I think you are mis-understanding the scale of the change in manufacturing going from ICE to BEV.
(snip)
The Old Auto companies are going to have to write off billions and billions of dollars in obsoleted plant over less than ten years.

We are getting off topic. Car plants are not shutting down ICE manufacturing next year, ICE will be going for many years. It will wind down over time. Just as EV are winding up over time. The profits will continue to be from ICE, and again that will wind down over time

ICE production for light passenger vehicles (i.e "cars" in a general sense including SUVs, wagons & utes) for sale in the EU counties and Australasia will be largely finished in less than a decade. I suspect China and Canada will be pretty much the same, and hope that even the USA won't be too far behind. The rest of the world will follow

For cars - the mass of the vehicle market - ICE will not be going for many years

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#2936068 29-Jun-2022 17:36

PolicyGuy:

ICE production for light passenger vehicles (i.e "cars" in a general sense including SUVs, wagons & utes) for sale in the EU counties and Australasia will be largely finished in less than a decade. I suspect China and Canada will be pretty much the same, and hope that even the USA won't be too far behind. The rest of the world will follow

For cars - the mass of the vehicle market - ICE will not be going for many years

Depends how you quantify many years. 10 years is many years. Given hybrids are very popular they will go longer, unless full EV's are very price efficient. As you say, some countries will be done and dusted in 10 years, USA a bit longer, the rest will follow, that will be old NZ, so thats easily many years. Plenty of time for manufacturers to call time when they see that time has to be called.

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