RUCs to apply to all vehicles (incl EVs), replacing road user tax on petrol

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#3174669 22-Dec-2023 18:41

Majority of Geeks nowadays work from home, me included. Hence RUC on kms basic is of no concern. That'll be some pocket money once a year. The car is just sitting in the garage collecting dust.
- The process of paying those few bucks once a year has to be as simple as paying for the yearly license, e.g. at the Post Shop or online.
- Windows cards is a nuisance. You should not be penalized if you forgot to attach already paid License sticker or RUC to the windshield.

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#3174670 22-Dec-2023 18:41

What is the current process for used vehicle purchasers verifying if RUC is up to date? Simply checking the docket against the odometer?

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#3174925 23-Dec-2023 09:50

Shadowfoot:

What is the current process for used vehicle purchasers verifying if RUC is up to date? Simply checking the docket against the odometer?

Yes, compare the current RUC mileage against the hubodometer/distance recorder - or odometer, if it's a light vehicle/heavy with a hubodometer exemption.

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#3174933 23-Dec-2023 10:11

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Shadowfoot:

What is the current process for used vehicle purchasers verifying if RUC is up to date? Simply checking the docket against the odometer?

Yes, compare the current RUC mileage against the hubodometer/distance recorder - or odometer, if it's a light vehicle/heavy with a hubodometer exemption.

An interesting condundrum then. It's worth considering that if the RUC system goes fully electronic in terms of doing away with displayable window cards then the list of people who are given the ability to interrogate the Waka Kotahi RUC database will be significant. Police obviously, WOF inspectors, but also parking wardens and also is this case used car salespeople? But what about the complication then presented for private secondhand car sellers?

Or will the link posted earlier (payment required) be sufficient? https://checka.co.nz/report/sample

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#3174945 23-Dec-2023 10:23

HarmLessSolutions:

An interesting condundrum then. It's worth considering that if the RUC system goes fully electronic in terms of doing away with displayable window cards then the list of people who are given the ability to interrogate the Waka Kotahi RUC database will be significant. Police obviously, WOF inspectors, but also parking wardens and also is this case used car salespeople? But what about the complication then presented for private secondhand car sellers?

Or will the link posted earlier (payment required) be sufficient? https://checka.co.nz/report/sample

It will probably just be added to the details supplied for free from this link.

https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/CheckExpiry/entry

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#3175142 24-Dec-2023 09:23

How do other countries do this? Do some countries have a similar RUC scheme? Do some places fund this all out of general taxation?

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#3175143 24-Dec-2023 09:38

HarmLessSolutions: But what about the complication then presented for private secondhand car sellers?

What about them? If they are gypsy traders outside the system why should they be any different to Joe public?

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#3175144 24-Dec-2023 09:45

Shadowfoot:

How do other countries do this? Do some countries have a similar RUC scheme? Do some places fund this all out of general taxation?

The UK has a Vehicle tax that is paid as part of vehicle rego, is emission rate based and from this info seems to go into a slush fund ends up in a variety of uses.

I expect the lack of any relationship with miles/kms travelled is addressed by way of their fuel tax.

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#3175177 24-Dec-2023 12:26

Fires the UK still have tax free “red” diesel?

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#3175200 24-Dec-2023 13:05

johno1234: Fires the UK still have tax free “red” diesel?

Canada has it - off road use only (farms, logging vehicles, oil rigs, marine, 'Northern residents' etc.)

It's a pain in the butt to run farm plated trucks on, you have to keep a logbook with all 'on road' use recorded, and produce it at weigh stations or if you're pulled over to have your tank dipped (spotted by your plates).

I think the NZ system is better - all diesel untaxed except 'on road' use.

Claiming the excise tax back on our 'taxed at point of sale' petrol motorhome is a pain though - something PHEV owners will also be doing from April Fool's day..

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#3175245 24-Dec-2023 18:02

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How do other countries do this? Do some countries have a similar RUC scheme? Do some places fund this all out of general taxation?

NZ is unique as the only country that has a pretty much full user pays system. Easy for us to do because we don't have different states/borders.

The MoT have already signaled a preference to do away with the labels. They consulted on that last year. They won't go until there is a electronic system that achieves he same thing for everyone. Labels will likely remain an option for those that prefer a manual system or aren't up to play with computers/smart devices. What this new government decides however, we will just have to wait and see.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/consultations/road-user-charges-consultation/

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#3175500 25-Dec-2023 22:50

RUKI: Majority of Geeks nowadays work from home, me included. Hence RUC on kms basic is of no concern. That'll be some pocket money once a year. The car is just sitting in the garage collecting dust.
- The process of paying those few bucks once a year has to be as simple as paying for the yearly license, e.g. at the Post Shop or online.
- Windows cards is a nuisance. You should not be penalized if you forgot to attach already paid License sticker or RUC to the windshield.

There's so much wrong with this, I can't even.

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#3175514 26-Dec-2023 08:59

@blakjak You, quote: "can't even"...unquote. What? Can't finish the sentence? Can't put your thoughts in writing? You have a right to disagree with everyone including yourself, but you do not need to announce it if you can't add any value...

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#3175646 26-Dec-2023 19:11

RUKI: @blakjak You, quote: "can't even"...unquote. What? Can't finish the sentence? Can't put your thoughts in writing? You have a right to disagree with everyone including yourself, but you do not need to announce it if you can't add any value...

You want me to spell it out? Sure.

- "Majority of Geeks nowadays work from home" - gross stereotyping. How big is your sample size?

- "me included" - okay, sample size 1?

- "Hence RUC on kms basic is of no concern. That'll be some pocket money once a year. The car is just sitting in the garage collecting dust." - Gross assumption that the only reason a vehicle gets used, is for commuting.

I work in IT. I work in the office two days a week, typical. It varies depending on what's going on in the office and whether I either need to, or would gain an advantage from, being present in-person.

I also have a wife and two children, all of whom get transported by car to/from places.

I also have extra-curricular activities that involve driving across town.

I do about 300km a week, typically.

- "The process of paying those few bucks once a year has to be as simple as paying for the yearly license, e.g. at the Post Shop or online." well... yes.. RUC has a well established process. This is probably the only bit i'm in agreement with you on.

- "Windows cards is a nuisance. You should not be penalized if you forgot to attach already paid License sticker or RUC to the windshield." - Not new, not unusual, and not unreasonable. Here's the relevant regulation.

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#3175716 27-Dec-2023 09:31

@blakjak now when you explained it, I can only wish you well. Future should improve for you, and you may not need to work as a driver - moving wife & kids around. Buy her a car, maybe find another IT job that could pay for it.
So, yours is an isolated case of the hard working man with a family on a limited budget.

My sample case of currently active Geeks is about 40 people.
2 - pair, both working from home. Researchers. 2 petrol cars in their garage are collecting dust. They even cancelled Insurance for one of those. RUC, if introduced won't impact them.
2 - independent folks, both with partners, working from boats being their home - both developers in computer games. Both have diesel cars, payng RUC. Rarely using those cars. One did not pick up his already paid license sticker for a few weeks (being on a boat) hence my comment of window stickers. I paid for mine month in advance and forgot to attach it. Luckily was not driving and remembered to attach it a week after the due date when needed to drive 200m to the Post Shop :).
5 others - all developers, working from home. All in automotive business. All have cars, rarely used. One has an EV, one Diesel, others - Petrol. The one with EV is in NZ - will have to pay RUC following changes.
About 30 other geeks use my tools and all work from home as being their workshop. I created that model: "business out of the box", so that they, as myself, can work from home. All have hybrids, obviously... and all overseas, hence no RUC for them.

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