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MikeB4
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#2031008 6-Jun-2018 19:06

mattwnz:
surfisup1000:

It was at night, pretty sure it was an elderly person.

Why do you jump to that conclusion? What makes elderly worse drivers, especially a they do get tested more regularly. I think it is more than likely they are from overseas and used to driving on the other side of the road, or drunk. That is one reason they have arrows on the roads now on roads that are often driven by tourists.

Simple it's ageism

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2031039 6-Jun-2018 19:49

MikeB4:
mattwnz:

surfisup1000: It was at night, pretty sure it was an elderly person.

Why do you jump to that conclusion? What makes elderly worse drivers, especially a they do get tested more regularly. I think it is more than likely they are from overseas and used to driving on the other side of the road, or drunk. That is one reason they have arrows on the roads now on roads that are often driven by tourists.

Simple it's ageism

Rubbish. He's probably seen something that gave him that impression. He didn't say that elderly people are worse drivers either.

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#2031211 7-Jun-2018 08:58

mudguard:

Fred99:

Yep.

I know that "the 300 club" is also a thing, remove limiters, perform other mechanical mods (if needed), and verify.

I don't know if many bikes have limiters on them. I know most cars do, Japanese imports for example are usually limited to 180kmh, a lot of big Euros are limited to 250kmh.

Pretty much "superbikes" - there's not much point putting a maximum speed limiter on a commuter bike etc.

The situation is all a bit confused - there was supposed to be a "gentleman's agreement" to limit top speed, the manufacturers a bit concerned that their superbikes would get banned.

From what I read, as an example the Kawasaki Ninja H2 is limited to 295km/h. It has the same basic engine as the track-only "H2R" which is capable of > 400km/h. There are plenty of you-tube clips with links to aftermarket ECU flashing services to change engine mapping and remove the speed limiter, as well as supply assorted bolt-on performance modifications. Those "modified" but otherwise street legal H2 are demonstrated doing 320-365km/h, depending on level of mods.

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#2031231 7-Jun-2018 09:19

Fred99:

From what I read, as an example the Kawasaki Ninja H2 is limited to 295km/h. It has the same basic engine as the track-only "H2R" which is capable of > 400km/h. There are plenty of you-tube clips with links to aftermarket ECU flashing services to change engine mapping and remove the speed limiter, as well as supply assorted bolt-on performance modifications. Those "modified" but otherwise street legal H2 are demonstrated doing 320-365km/h, depending on level of mods.

To be honest, if there are limiters above 250kmh I don't see what the difference really is. Someone crashes at 260kmh vs 300kmh the result is the same. It's like the same argument for limiting normal cars, I wouldn't have an issue with cars being limited to say 120kmh (simply to enable passing a car doing 95kmh). We all know why they aren't of course. The only time I can think of a limiter being an issue was when the GTR came out. My old boss couldn't wait for the NZ ones to arrive, so bought it from Japan. Took it straight to Pukekohe and spent the whole track day bouncing off the limiter. I vaguely recall that the Japanese versions may have been clever enough to realise when you'd taken it to a track and lifted the limiter (sat nav gps maybe?), could be incorrect.

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#2031248 7-Jun-2018 09:28

The thing that staggered me in the motorcycle video was proximity close to the road edge they got at >200km.

More debris there, so more risk of losing control.

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#2031264 7-Jun-2018 09:49

They should be limited to something closer to the speed limit! Anything higher and the bike should be limited to race track use only.

People often mistake me for an adult because of my age.

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#2031271 7-Jun-2018 10:05

Isn't it pretty much just another version of the gun argument:

"Guns/cars/bikes don't kill people; people do".

Especially with motorbikes - most gun deaths in the US are self inflicted too (about 2/3).

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#2031285 7-Jun-2018 10:24

mudguard:

The only time I can think of a limiter being an issue was when the GTR came out. My old boss couldn't wait for the NZ ones to arrive, so bought it from Japan. Took it straight to Pukekohe and spent the whole track day bouncing off the limiter. I vaguely recall that the Japanese versions may have been clever enough to realise when you'd taken it to a track and lifted the limiter (sat nav gps maybe?), could be incorrect.

I was talking to a specialist tuner technician in Chch who had a japanese import GTR that he'd been working on for a client. Re-mapping the ECU to remove all that stuff was nailed years ago. The car he was working on, they'd done about $35k of modifications, larger turbo and intercooler, injectors, pistons and rods, aftermarket high-performance clutch packs. They had a 4 wheel dyno, apparently that should have had about 850 wheel horsepower. The car had a baby seat in the back. I've seen it on the road since - there's nothing really visible to show that it's been modified. The tech told me that in stock form, they're not very nice to drive around town - harsh shifting dual clutch. With mods, as well as much more power and torque they change the mapping for the transmission, presumably engaging the clutches more smoothly which would mean more slip and heat, hence the need to upgrade the clutches more than just to handle the extra power.

There are a whole lot of legal implications when doing this, for starters it absolutely will be illegal on the road due to tampering with emissions control systems. It will also be illegal as engine power has been increased without having the car LVV certified/complied. People do it anyway.

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#2031299 7-Jun-2018 10:42

Fred99:
There are a whole lot of legal implications when doing this, for starters it absolutely will be illegal on the road due to tampering with emissions control systems. It will also be illegal as engine power has been increased without having the car LVV certified/complied. People do it anyway.

You can legally increase the power of a vehicle by up to 20% from OEM without requiring low volume cert.

Adding additional or larger turbos, superchargers etc or re-chipping the engine will trigger a cert though. In saying that, re-mapping an existing chip is not re-chipping the vehicle.

20% increase in power can be quite a large amount when you consider how many ponies some of those cars come with as stock...

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#2031327 7-Jun-2018 11:18

Ge0rge:
Fred99:

There are a whole lot of legal implications when doing this, for starters it absolutely will be illegal on the road due to tampering with emissions control systems. It will also be illegal as engine power has been increased without having the car LVV certified/complied. People do it anyway.

You can legally increase the power of a vehicle by up to 20% from OEM without requiring low volume cert.

Adding additional or larger turbos, superchargers etc or re-chipping the engine will trigger a cert though. In saying that, re-mapping an existing chip is not re-chipping the vehicle.

20% increase in power can be quite a large amount when you consider how many ponies some of those cars come with as stock...

Yes I agree.

However, increasing the power by less than the 20% limit by "re-chipping" - without that involving some tampering with systems for emission control would be a challenge. I don't mean removing cats, physically blanking off EGR etc, but by making changes to mapping, injection timing etc will have an impact on CO2, NOx, particulate emissions etc. The emission control systems are integrated with the factory mapping - even then as we've seen, manufacturers have cheated to pass standards but meet customer performance expectations - and they'd been doing it for years before they got busted.

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#2031363 7-Jun-2018 11:52

Dratsab:

MikeB4:
mattwnz:

surfisup1000: It was at night, pretty sure it was an elderly person.

Why do you jump to that conclusion? What makes elderly worse drivers, especially a they do get tested more regularly. I think it is more than likely they are from overseas and used to driving on the other side of the road, or drunk. That is one reason they have arrows on the roads now on roads that are often driven by tourists.

Simple it's ageism

Rubbish. He's probably seen something that gave him that impression. He didn't say that elderly people are worse drivers either.

Correct. My son thought it was an older person, he got a better look than I.

I pointed this out, because ones immediate impression is that it would be a tourist and that would probably be wrong.

Thanks for the baseless accusation though mikeb4. Uhhh, why do these things always turn ugly!!

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#2031600 7-Jun-2018 18:18

surfisup1000:

Uhhh, why do these things always turn ugly!!

Because some people have triggers they are waiting to respond to, so they can feel like they are better than other people.

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#2031629 7-Jun-2018 18:32

20 minutes this morning I was waiting on the footpath on Riccarton Road by Division Street, Christchurch for a shop to open, and I observed:

- 12 Drivers using their Cellphones. (Texting or voice.....mainly texting & blatantly obvious that they were doing it!)

- 2 Blatant RED light runners.

- 2 Right Turner's - when it is clearly marked as no right turn.

No wonder being on the road is so bad, and the Road Toll is so high!

This was only one place in time!

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#2031641 7-Jun-2018 19:26

Lets try a 2nd edit..

Target on the back today

Pet Hate of lane changers who can't come to realise everyone is in the same boat. But happy to halve safety space rather than go.. Ok, lane is busy. I'll get in early like everyone else

And apparently yellow lights mean you don't need to give way at roundabouts.

I Must be one of the few who actually look past the closest entry to the right to whats actually coming around the roundbout too..

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#2032560 9-Jun-2018 14:59

Oblivian: And apparently yellow lights mean you don't need to give way at roundabouts.

So called traffic safety trucks too. Complain to the company and also point out the unlawful use of those amber beacons.

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