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  #3152530 27-Oct-2023 09:04
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johno1234: My main issue with Polestar is that unless you spring for dual motor you are getting front wheel drive. I really can't understand why they did that. Rear wheel drive is a much better driver's experience and with no transmission tunnel or driveshaft needed, why would you do front? Doesn't that add complication, CV joints too?

 

@johno1234 - the revised Polestar 2 is now RWD, eg see https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/2024-polestar-2-gets-more-power-and-rear-wheel-drive-smarts

 

 




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  #3152533 27-Oct-2023 09:16
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johno1234: My main issue with Polestar is that unless you spring for dual motor you are getting front wheel drive. I really can't understand why they did that. Rear wheel drive is a much better driver's experience and with no transmission tunnel or driveshaft needed, why would you do front? Doesn't that add complication, CV joints too?

 

One integrated unit to drop into the front of the car come assembly time, I'm guessing. 

 

Having said that the FWD vs. RWD thing is a little overblown - one of the best cars I've driven was a weak-as-milk Corolla which was slow and cheap and you could drive it like it was a 90s Touring Car. Besides no one ever gets out of a Mini and says "shame that's front wheel drive". It's not to say it doesn't matter, but it doesn't ruin the fun of 'slow car fast'. 

 

 


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  #3152534 27-Oct-2023 09:17
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jonathan18:

 

johno1234: My main issue with Polestar is that unless you spring for dual motor you are getting front wheel drive. I really can't understand why they did that. Rear wheel drive is a much better driver's experience and with no transmission tunnel or driveshaft needed, why would you do front? Doesn't that add complication, CV joints too?

 

@johno1234 - the revised Polestar 2 is now RWD, eg see https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/2024-polestar-2-gets-more-power-and-rear-wheel-drive-smarts

 

 

 

 

Wow, those are massive improvements! No wonder they are on runout sale for the 2023 models.

 

Only slightly more expensive - hopefully true here too: https://electrek.co/2023/06/13/2024-polestar-2-slight-price-bump-but-more-range/

 

 




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  #3152535 27-Oct-2023 09:20
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GV27:

 

One integrated unit to drop into the front of the car come assembly time, I'm guessing. 

 

Having said that the FWD vs. RWD thing is a little overblown - one of the best cars I've driven was a weak-as-milk Corolla which was slow and cheap and you could drive it like it was a 90s Touring Car. Besides no one ever gets out of a Mini and says "shame that's front wheel drive". It's not to say it doesn't matter, but it doesn't ruin the fun of 'slow car fast'. 

 

 

But it can help, yeah? I'm no car expert but I'm assuming one of the reasons that my wife's not particularly powerful or amazingly set up MG4 Excite is so fun to drive is that it's RWD. 


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  #3152538 27-Oct-2023 09:33
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https://aptera.us/ where does the towbar go?

 

 


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#3152539 27-Oct-2023 09:34
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johno1234:

 

https://aptera.us/ where does the towbar go?

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't want to know. 





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  #3152541 27-Oct-2023 09:37
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johno1234:

 

https://aptera.us/ where does the towbar go?

 

 

Interestingly, the woman from Ecotricity (Nicki someone?) got to drive the gamma version of this recently:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OucYuTO6SWY

 

 


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  #3152549 27-Oct-2023 09:54
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I am not an EV person, but I am fascinated by the Tesla indicator stalk discussion. How do you operate the indicators without stalks? Does the car attempt to automate the operation of the indicators?


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  #3152552 27-Oct-2023 10:03
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alasta:

 

I am not an EV person, but I am fascinated by the Tesla indicator stalk discussion. How do you operate the indicators without stalks? Does the car attempt to automate the operation of the indicators?

 

 

 

 

Using the thumb rollers on the steering wheel. Not going to work real well when swapping from right to left indicator to exit a roundabout.





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  #3152564 27-Oct-2023 10:46
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SaltyNZ:

alasta:


I am not an EV person, but I am fascinated by the Tesla indicator stalk discussion. How do you operate the indicators without stalks? Does the car attempt to automate the operation of the indicators?



 


Using the thumb rollers on the steering wheel. Not going to work real well when swapping from right to left indicator to exit a roundabout.



That seems like the kind of thing that should be against car safety regulations

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  #3152578 27-Oct-2023 11:22
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BlargHonk: That seems like the kind of thing that should be against car safety regulations

 

Its certainly something I could see the EU mandating, (esp given the prevalence of Roundabouts in that part of the world) 


 
 
 
 

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  #3152935 28-Oct-2023 01:25
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BlargHonk: 

That seems like the kind of thing that should be against car safety regulations

 

Hopefully they do it sooner rather than later. Tesla's "innovations" need to be nipped in the bud, they're just plain unsafe.


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  #3152949 28-Oct-2023 08:41
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Anyone else carry an extra purchased spare tyre with them in boot or roof rack when gong on longer trips? Majority of new cars be it ICE or EV do not come with spare tyres anymore and the goo kit to fix puncture is mostly useless and very messy for the rim inside. With a family of 4. getting all of us rescued in a tow truck won’t be possible either I Imagine due to lack of seating capacity in the tow truck and the hassle of waiting an hour or two for it arrive.

Puncture are a gamble and we have had one in our ICE Kia once but luckily it came with a full size spare tyre and car jack kit while on way to Auckland from Hamilton. 10 mins later we were on our way again to Auckland. I have purchased anther spare wheel from our car dealer for the EV and decided we will place it in boot and strap it to side hooks so it does not moves around for trips outside of Hamilton




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  #3153034 28-Oct-2023 13:43
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billgates: Anyone else carry an extra purchased spare tyre with them in boot or roof rack when gong on longer trips? Majority of new cars be it ICE or EV do not come with spare tyres anymore and the goo kit to fix puncture is mostly useless and very messy for the rim inside. With a family of 4. getting all of us rescued in a tow truck won’t be possible either I Imagine due to lack of seating capacity in the tow truck and the hassle of waiting an hour or two for it arrive.

Puncture are a gamble and we have had one in our ICE Kia once but luckily it came with a full size spare tyre and car jack kit while on way to Auckland from Hamilton. 10 mins later we were on our way again to Auckland. I have purchased anther spare wheel from our car dealer for the EV and decided we will place it in boot and strap it to side hooks so it does not moves around for trips outside of Hamilton

 

Yeah, Some people do. Photos I lifted from various sources:

 




 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, We don't carry a spare in our leaf (and didn't in the BMW i3 we had before that either).

 

BMW i3 had tire pressure monitoring, & came with a compressor & goo.

 

My leaf does not have pressure monitoring, But did come with a compresser & goo, and a jack and lug nut wrench. Figure if the tire did not hold pressure from the compressor (without goo), I would have the option of pulling the wheel off and taking a taxi to a tire shop as an alternative to calling a tow truck.


 

I have been driving nearly 20 year's, and never have needed to change a tire at the roadside. All punctures / flats I have either been noticed when I was at home, or have been able to be inflated (no goo) with a 12v compressor, and have held up enough I could keep driving, stopping at regular gaps to check pressure.

 

Flat 12v batteries have been a much more common occurrence for me than tire issues.

 

 

 

You will need to costs of setting up and carrying a spare, vs the risk & cost (time and money) of having a flat (that can't simply be pumped up again) with no spare.

Suggest for most people, it's not worth carrying a spare on a car that doesn't have one. Of course if you have a situation where risk (or consequence) is higher than normal, it may be worthwhile


 

If you are going to set one up:

 

  • Note, unless you are going to rely on a roadside assist service to change the wheel you will need a jack & lug nut wrench also (and some tesla's are known to have a very high torque spec on wheels).
  • It needs to be strapped / fixed in place to pass a WOF. (if fitted)
  • Roof mount will add drag which will decrease efficiency and cut into range.
  • Rear mount will make the car longer for paking, may interfere with rear camea's (unless relocated)
  • Boot mount will eat into cargo space
  • Any location will consume payload some of your payload. Some EV's have low payloads, i.e. the LFP model 3 with 389kg according to this source: https://ev-database.org/car/1555/Tesla-Model-3
  • For common models, you can get a wheel & tire for relatively cheap used.
  • Some models (like the leaf) have a space saver which is comparable. these are lighter, smaller (and often cheaper).

An option is to get a spare wheel & tools, and keep it at home. This gives you the option of phoning a friend to get it, or catching a taxi home to get it if you get a flat (that can't just be pumped up). But avoids the disadvantage of carrying the spare with you all the time.

The Nissan leaf has space to mount a spare under the rear boot floor (cutting away trim), so there can be zero loss of cargo space on that model. (indeed the ex - Australia batch of ZE0 cars Nissan NZ sold in 2013 - 2014 had a factory-fitted spare in that location.

Audi Q8 etron gets a factory spare (one of the crazy expanding ones that you pump up before use).

 

 

 

on risk:

 

  • Modern tires are low risk than tires of decades ago.
  • Tire pressure monitoring, decreases the odds that a slow leak will result in a completely destroyed tire.
  • a 12v compressor can mitigate the impact of slow leaks
  • A giant pot hole could damage two tires, so carrying a single spare does not fully mitigate that risk.
  • lower profile tires are at higher risk of damage
  • Worn tires are at higher risk of punctures (consider changing at 3mm if you are not running a spare)
  • Old tires are at higher risk of damage (consider replacing at 6 - 10 years regardless of wear) - this is why you see so many trailers with tire issues.

Should note that full cars needing recovery isn't unusual, see photo of 4 door truck below. Also I know of a situation where the truck cab was full so some people road in the broken down car on the back.


 

 

 


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  #3153159 28-Oct-2023 17:36
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SaltyNZ:

 

Using the thumb rollers on the steering wheel. Not going to work real well when swapping from right to left indicator to exit a roundabout.

 

 

That is not how the indicators work on Model S, X and Highland Model 3.

 

There are buttons on the steering wheel specifically for the indicators.

 

Not that I am saying that is much better, but at least you don't have to use the scroll wheels on the steering wheel to indicate.

 

 

 

(Or maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "thumb rollers")





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