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#2987371 24-Oct-2022 18:35

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Key to us getting 200 was Allen's flying start, took the pressure off Conway & our other batsmen coming in - Aussie only needed one of their openers to fire like Allen & they would've been right in the match - but we bowled well in partnerships from the start keeping the pressure on throughout the whole innings.
We basically butchered those first two matches in the C/H ODI Series.

Yep I get all that, but what I bolded. Conway not get 92 every game. He is largely why we won. Next game if he doesnt get 92 but gets 32 we need others to chime in with a strong RR

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#2987673 25-Oct-2022 12:28

Dochart:

Who would you put at No 3 if Williamson wasn’t in the team. Daryl Mitchell would be perfect at No 3. Has played that role in the Super Smash perfectly.

There have been times Williamson has had good innings in T20 cricket but last night should have come in later after Allen got out.

Agree with the Mitchell call at three, though I think the batting order needs to be flexible in T20 to respond to the inning's situation. Williamson, as fine a player as he is, does need to step down from the T20 game though. His style is not suited to this form of the game where strike-rate is king over everything else. When he went to the IPL he struggled to secure a 1st team spot because he's too ponderous at the crease. It was only the situation with Warner at his franchise that allowed Kane to come into the picture there.

And, he's getting positively McCullum-like with reviewing his own dismissal every time he gets out. There was no way he should have gone upstairs to review his LBW the other night. Blowing a review like that when it was obviously out was just silly. It didn't end up costing us, but it could have had the innings gone a different way.

Williamson hasn't been the player he was since the elbow started to play up for him. As much as I don't want it to happen, he needs to follow Ben Stoke's example and give up a form of the game to allow himself to be better in test cricket. Hadlee also shortened his run-up to give himself longevity in the game. He needs to make the tough call and lighten the load in order to lengthen his career and preserve his legacy.

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#2987842 25-Oct-2022 15:36

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artbloke:
Key to us getting 200 was Allen's flying start, took the pressure off Conway & our other batsmen coming in - Aussie only needed one of their openers to fire like Allen & they would've been right in the match - but we bowled well in partnerships from the start keeping the pressure on throughout the whole innings.
We basically butchered those first two matches in the C/H ODI Series.

Yep I get all that, but what I bolded. Conway not get 92 every game. He is largely why we won. Next game if he doesnt get 92 but gets 32 we need others to chime in with a strong RR

Yeah, fair point - reckon both Allen & Conway were very important factors though... it's always crucial that one batsman can bat through most of the innings or all of it, with others batting well around him, can never rely on just one player getting a big score, others have to step up & do that job too.

Pretty disappointed in Williamson's form for a fair while now in all formats of the game... it's time for him to contribute a top score like Conway did in the next match.

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#2988320 26-Oct-2022 15:09

Name your match-day XI against Afghanistan ... here's who I would play on what looks like a pacey MCG deck

Allen
Conway
Mitchell
Williamson
Phillips
Bracewell
Neesham
Sodhi
Milne
Ferguson
Boult

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#2988324 26-Oct-2022 15:37

thermonuclear:
Name your match-day XI against Afghanistan ... here's who I would play on what looks like a pacey MCG deck

Allen
Conway
Mitchell
Williamson
Phillips
Bracewell
Neesham
Sodhi
Milne
Ferguson
Boult

Same I would pick that XI as well. On Espncricinfo they are saying it will only swing for a couple of overs but then after that the pitch becomes slower which will help some of the spinners and the ball won’t swing that much.

I will risk it and have Boult, Ferguson and Milne in the team since the ball won’t swing much later on so having Ferguson and Milne speed will be vital. With the spinners Bracewell and Sodhi are a good option. It will be a hard decision whether they want a batting allrounder of Bracewell or a bowling allrounder of Santner.

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#2988326 26-Oct-2022 15:53

Dochart:

With the spinners Bracewell and Sodhi are a good option. It will be a hard decision whether they want a batting allrounder of Bracewell or a bowling allrounder of Santner.

Yeah, I went with Bracewell over Santner for two reasons. First, as many here know, I don't especially rate Santner. Sure, he got three wickets the other night, but the first one took the "Superman catch" by Phillips to get it done, and he was always going to be a chance when Australia had to go hard to get anywhere near the total NZ set.

Second, I think Bracewell has had a bit of a golden arm in recent times, and why not give him a roll against supposedly weaker opposition to keep him match fit and see what he offers for this tournament.

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#2988337 26-Oct-2022 16:23

thermonuclear:
Dochart:

With the spinners Bracewell and Sodhi are a good option. It will be a hard decision whether they want a batting allrounder of Bracewell or a bowling allrounder of Santner.

Yeah, I went with Bracewell over Santner for two reasons. First, as many here know, I don't especially rate Santner. Sure, he got three wickets the other night, but the first one took the "Superman catch" by Phillips to get it done, and he was always going to be a chance when Australia had to go hard to get anywhere near the total NZ set.

Second, I think Bracewell has had a bit of a golden arm in recent times, and why not give him a roll against supposedly weaker opposition to keep him match fit and see what he offers for this tournament.

They also have to take into account where Santner has never gotten a left arm batter out with his bowling. That’s what happen with the semi final last year where there were a lot of left handed batsman in the middle order for England. If Bracewell doesn’t play in today’s match he will definitely be playing when they face England instead of Santner.

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#2988358 26-Oct-2022 17:56

thermonuclear:

Williamson, as fine a player as he is, does need to step down from the T20 game though. His style is not suited to this form of the game where strike-rate is king over everything else. When he went to the IPL he struggled to secure a 1st team spot because he's too ponderous at the crease. It was only the situation with Warner at his franchise that allowed Kane to come into the picture there.

Williamson was the top run scorer in the IPL in 2018. Warners "situation" was last year.

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#2988378 26-Oct-2022 20:34

Handle9:

thermonuclear:

When he went to the IPL he struggled to secure a 1st team spot because he's too ponderous at the crease. It was only the situation with Warner at his franchise that allowed Kane to come into the picture there.

Williamson was the top run scorer in the IPL in 2018. Warners "situation" was last year.

Yes, Williamson did have his most outstanding IPL season in 2018, playing 17 matches, scoring 735 runs and winning the Orange Cap as you pointed out. However I would contend he only got the opportunity to do that because of the Warner situation, being promoted to captain and taking over the Australian's place in the team due to Warner being suspended by the BCCI as a result of his part in "Sandpapergate".

In the preceding 2017 season Williamson only played 7 matches, kept out of the side by Warner who was the IPL's top scorer that year, winning his second Orange Cap. Additionally, in the 2016 season Warner finished second top scorer in the IPL.

Having won two Orange Caps and one second place in the preceding 3 seasons, I don't think there's any doubt that Williamson would have continued to mostly ride the pine in 2018 had Warner not got himself into trouble and been suspended.

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#2988454 26-Oct-2022 23:22

So he won the orange cap and has played almost every game for 5 years since so he’s a bad player? Such a weird take.

The same stuff was being written about Kohli being finished. It was only a year ago that Williamson was the highest scorer in the World Cup final and New Zealands top run scorer in the tournament.

You don’t bin truly world class players who have another 5 years in them when they have a bad trot.

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#2989967 31-Oct-2022 11:30

Handle9:
You don’t bin truly world class players who have another 5 years in them when they have a bad trot.

Yep I agree.

Hes improved his T20 game, but is in a lull, he appears to be blocking for too long but he is timing his innings.

I feel like the SL game we had picked a test type team again. Thanks to the GP, it wasnt an issue. It would have been a tight game had GP been caught. And our bowlers were amazing, the way Sodhi came back was fairly typical but nice to see. Lockie needs to yorker more often.

My main issue is we keep selecting our Test team and filling in around it. Is Guptil hurrt? If not, its straight up stupidity not playing him. As was not selecting Munro, I felt like we picked Team B and we wrote SL off too easily because they have so many major players injured.

As per usual our crap selector and a rubbish T20 squad to pick from.

The name of the game is strike rate, its that simple. You put 5 batsmen in who can average 20+ at SR150+ and you hope one of them or more hits a 50 or 100 at SR 170-200.

The Problem is we didn't select a squad based on that, we again selected our teat team largely and filled in around that.

This is the team we should have been fielding, Phillips spin is on point now but switch Mitchell for Sodhi on pitches that are going to turn. Thats a team that will score 200+ consistently without the risk of being bowled out for sub 100 which the SL games squad looked likely of. Will also bowl teams out for sub 120 conistently.

No playing Guptil though, that is absurd, surely he has to be injured? Next we will be leaving Conway out................. NZ cricket are the only ones losing by being childish over Munro. We have had a Golden period in cricket finally but our old chronies want to place some stupid symbolic meaning rather than the reality that professional players have a limited shelf life.

1. Finn Allen 2. Conway 3. Guptill 4. Munro 5. Phillips 6. Kane 7. Mitchell 8.Nesham 9. Lockie 10. Southee 11. Boult

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#2990502 1-Nov-2022 10:20

Williamson is far too good a player to have hardly fired a shot in all 3 formats for ages... maybe that elbow injury he's had over the last couple of years is really hindering him ?

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#2990508 1-Nov-2022 10:28

Still makes me furious the way NZC have treated some of the older players such as Munro and McClenaghan. They only seem to care about youth. I have no problem with them replacing Guptill with Allen, that was a good decision but to leave out Munro for this World Cup in Australia was a bad call. Could have easily added Munro in for Chapman.

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#2990513 1-Nov-2022 10:49

Dochart: Could have easily added Munro in for Chapman.

Would've had Munro in the mix over the ditch too... his power hitting is really suited to the 20/20 stuff

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#2990521 1-Nov-2022 11:03

20/20 WC

Tue 1st Nov {Bris} - 9pm

NZ Squad : Kane Williamson (c), Martin Guptill, Finn Allen, Devon Conway (wk), Daryl Mitchell, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman, Jimmy Neesham, Mitchell Santner, Michael Bracewell, Ish Sodhi, Adam Milne, Tim Southee, Lockie Ferguson, Trent Boult.

ENGLAND Squad : Jos Buttler (c), Moeen Ali, Harry Brook, Sam Curran, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Phil Salt, Ben Stokes, Tymal Mills, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood, Alex Hales.

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