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#3237790 28-May-2024 12:56

Benoire:

https://youtu.be/elrssH5KrYY?t=8

He was running up the side of him on the approach to the accident zone, well before it happened (relatively given the speed they do). Perez had plenty of time to see him in the mirrors and space to move, the Hass would have lost out later on in as the curve tightened but I've seen overtaking done there before but then I'm of the position that you do not deserve the racing line just by being there apart from last minute dive bombs in to tight slow corners/hairpins.

i have no doubt they both knew what they were doing, but i'm just saying that the guy in front has a decision to wave him by or close him down, the guy at the back has a decision to go for a gap that is closing (the kink) or pull out.

sometimes they collide, and hence deemed a racing incident.

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#3237791 28-May-2024 13:03

Batman:

Benoire:

https://youtu.be/elrssH5KrYY?t=8

He was running up the side of him on the approach to the accident zone, well before it happened (relatively given the speed they do). Perez had plenty of time to see him in the mirrors and space to move, the Hass would have lost out later on in as the curve tightened but I've seen overtaking done there before but then I'm of the position that you do not deserve the racing line just by being there apart from last minute dive bombs in to tight slow corners/hairpins.

i have no doubt they both knew what they were doing, but i'm just saying that the guy in front has a decision to wave him by or close him down, the guy at the back has a decision to go for a gap that is closing (the kink) or pull out.

sometimes they collide, and hence deemed a racing incident.

I agree with you and agree its a racing incident, they could both have done something to avoid this.. my reply was to another poster 🙂

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#3239801 28-May-2024 13:39

Perez a bit sleepy but that's not the first time.
Mag already hit the wall as they came close. Perez was looking in his mirror at him from memory during the onboards.
Perez should probably have continued straight rather than swing right to prepare for the next left hander, that' was the sandwich move the cost them all.

Mag should have pulled out, it's lap one and and to finish you have to finish.
Mag was only just passed Perez rear wheels, pushing for a gap that was tiny and hugely risky, ultimately relying on Perez moving over to let him safely through.

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#3241797 28-May-2024 14:39

I enjoyed the race, whilst the lack of passing makes for boring race. The drivers have to 100% be focused not to crash. Thought Max might have taken a risk on George in the closing stages.

The best bit was the podium presentation. The Prince is usually quite reserved and regal but you could see the emotion on his face that Charles had won.

Someone handed him a bottle of champagne and he join in the celebrations, for a few seconds he really seemed to be enjoying himself then he realised he was a prince and should behave.

How long are are RB going to stick with Danny Ric, Perez also had a shocker of a Quali. Monaco circuit really highlights driver talent over any other circuit. You can do well in a slow car (Albon, Tsunoda) because you have talent and cars are much more even. Both those 2 must be on notice although Perez probably has a longer lifeline that Danny Ric.

Time to bring in Lawson give him a shot.

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#3241801 28-May-2024 15:07

I wonder what Monaco would look like with no mandatory compound change? Would everyone cruise round on the medium? Would some go to the hard? Or would two or three stints on the softs work?

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#3241814 28-May-2024 15:58

I wouldn't be against a major shake up to give monaco some action. It can't really be done on the track safely so strategy calls are required to shake it up. You shouldn't be able to change setups under a red flag, and I'd be keen to say you had to run all 3 tire compounds during the race to spice it up. Yes it's artificial, but the game has changed from small cars to these fat wide monsters of today and we need something to jazz it up a bit.

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#3241822 28-May-2024 16:22

Jaxson:

I wouldn't be against a major shake up to give Monaco some action. It can't really be done on the track safely so strategy calls are required to shake it up. You shouldn't be able to change setups under a red flag, and I'd be keen to say you had to run all 3 tire compounds during the race to spice it up. Yes it's artificial, but the game has changed from small cars to these fat wide monsters of today and we need something to jazz it up a bit.

Interestingly re: the fat cars, they are about the same with as the 1993 cars at the moment and narrower than the 91/92 cars, it was only from '98 where they went really skinny... but they are longer, much longer than previously due to the safety cell and engine space needed.

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#3241901 28-May-2024 17:51

langi27:

How long are are RB going to stick with Danny Ric, Perez also had a shocker of a Quali. Monaco circuit really highlights driver talent over any other circuit. You can do well in a slow car (Albon, Tsunoda) because you have talent and cars are much more even. Both those 2 must be on notice although Perez probably has a longer lifeline that Danny Ric.

Time to bring in Lawson give him a shot.

this is a good distraction/smoke screen to counter/cover the Horner scandal, so for as long as needed for Horner to reestablish the internal pecking order. that guys is fighting for his career and this focus on the other guys is perfect for him. if Helmut Marko has his way Perez would be gone, not sure if he supports Ric.

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#3241915 28-May-2024 18:32

Benoire:

I actually felt the incident with the Hass is something that Perez could have done better with... he wasn't on the same line as everyone else through the corner and the hass was beyond his rear tyres... I felt the Hass was sufficiently far along the car to be given some room as we saw Bottas overtake in the same place later on in the race. Racing incident was the right conclusion though.

100% agree

Yes the line tightens up as Ant and Jenson showed on the Sky Pad. Haas could have bailed out for that reason. As I saw it Haas front wheel was beside Perez rear wheel, it was an overlap. Options were Haas bailed out, or the gap was there so he took it. We can argue that the gap will close, but if the gap is there, and you have momentum, i.e. faster speed you could fill that gap, then Perez has to allow room

But the kicker was when Ant and Jenson looked at Perez helmet. He looked right, he knew Haas was there. It wasnt a quick glance, he knew. He could have maintained his line and said that the gap closed he should have bailed out. But he turned right. Cars were overlapped and he turned right. THEN Ant and Jenson once they saw that had a big change of heart, that changed everything. Haas could have yielded and RBR could have maintained his line on the basis that the gap will close, but Perez turned right. He caused the crash. With the overlap of rear wheel and front wheel which he knew as he had a long look in the mirror. He should have given space. If the Haas got close RBR had the line, but if the Haas had good speed and momentum he could have forced RBR to keep giving him the line, he didnt. As usual Perez has a long list of excuses, plus KMag been in the wars so he will get pinged. Perhaps the penalty will occur in a few races time when Perez is the tea boy not the driver. he is REALLY hurting RBR. Well, the car and Max, who cares, well the top 3 teams are tight now. Perez will never be a rear gunner, unless she has his one good race from 10 and is

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#3241917 28-May-2024 18:36

GV27:

He's in the wheel tracks of the Aston in front of him. You don't drive within the painted lane lines up the hill - no one does.

As for giving room, for Magnussen to pull this off, he would have had to stay level all the way to the right hander at the end of Casino Square - and Perez would have rights at the top of the hill as he would have been on the inside and it would have been moot anyway. There was no way for this to eventuate into a pass. Zero percent chance of success with a massive chance that exactly what happened would happen.

KMag had the momentum. Haas has often been quick, RBR arent great on slot car tracks. Take the gap as you have more momentum, Perez gives room, if its not enough, fine. But Perez turned into him which was "no way" to avoid a big crash as they were overlapped

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#3241918 28-May-2024 18:38

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you don't win races by waving every car past you when they try to pull alongside, you also don't win races if you no longer go for a gap that exist

it's right to be deemed a racing incident i think, though it's a hard one, whether he went for a gap that no longer exist, but it's not the guy in front's job to wave everybody past

Yep. The gap existed, he had the speed. Perez should have given room, then lets see later, but Perez literally drove into him. No way would Perez intentionally crash, but his struggle to retain the seat wasnt met with the skill

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#3241923 28-May-2024 18:43

I see Monaco's hosting rights are up renewal in 2025. Perhaps Liberty will use that as leverage to force some changes or move away.

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#3241925 28-May-2024 18:44

Jaxson:

Perez a bit sleepy but that's not the first time.
Mag already hit the wall as they came close. Perez was looking in his mirror at him from memory during the onboards.
Perez should probably have continued straight rather than swing right to prepare for the next left hander, that' was the sandwich move the cost them all.

Mag should have pulled out, it's lap one and and to finish you have to finish.
Mag was only just passed Perez rear wheels, pushing for a gap that was tiny and hugely risky, ultimately relying on Perez moving over to let him safely through.

Agree. KMag could have pulled out but there was a gap, had Perez driven with a straight string wheel, the gap was refined, then its up to Perez to give room. Whether the Haas with greater momentum made the pass or not, Perez drove into him to cause the crash. Intentional? No. Desperate for his seat and made a bad decision. But got off it. If that was Lewis, LeClerc, Alonso, what would have happened? Hard to know, but as it was reckless KMag he cut him off. Realistically you could say here is reckless KMag Im not racing him, so best to avoid him and be angry later (and finish)

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#3241932 28-May-2024 18:54

langi27:

How long are are RB going to stick with Danny Ric, Perez also had a shocker of a Quali. Monaco circuit really highlights driver talent over any other circuit. You can do well in a slow car (Albon, Tsunoda) because you have talent and cars are much more even. Both those 2 must be on notice although Perez probably has a longer lifeline that Danny Ric.

Time to bring in Lawson give him a shot.

Agree re DR and Perez, happens every week almost. "A swallow doesnt make a Summer" come to mind

I disagree that Monaco highlights driver talent. Wall and speed wise, yes it does, but if the car works there and you quali high up, you are largely sorted. Quali top 10 was the same as Race top 10. Some cat are fast aka Williams. Some can't work in slow corners, McLaren (not any more) some don't like slow tracks, RBR. Aside from Singapore and Monaco there is a wide range of tracks, they will sort themselves out over a season

Lawson, yes. DR and SP are mature, not improving, and are battling. Lawson and Yuki are the next generation. There is room for Carlos and Liam

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#3241933 28-May-2024 18:57

mudguard:

I wonder what Monaco would look like with no mandatory compound change? Would everyone cruise round on the medium? Would some go to the hard? Or would two or three stints on the softs work?

If the mandatory stops allowed tyres to not fall off the cliff, the drivers would have to run full speed. Make them softer and faster but they have time to switch them out and remain on softer and faster. I think I may have mentioned earlier I laughed when the commentary and audio was drive as slow as you can. FFS

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