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Forums › Politics › Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections
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  #1668497 12-Nov-2016 12:38
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PhantomNVD:

 

I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,.

 

 

 

You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 

 

 

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  #1668504 12-Nov-2016 12:55
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

IMHO he will just be a figurehead.

 

 

Donald has all the answers, it's been very much about him in everything he's done, he's a "hands on" kind of guy.

 

I can't see him sitting back taking policy advice or being told what to say.

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  #1668507 12-Nov-2016 13:01
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Fred99:

PhantomNVD:


I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,
so let's leave that alone as we won't agree, and simply agree that many people were led by their own view of morality, and swayed by strong media pressure to revile the opponent in BOTH sides of this argument..


 


You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 


 


At least use ALL the relevant quote?

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  #1668518 12-Nov-2016 13:21
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tdgeek:

joker97:


Fred99:


gzt:
Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.


Yes.


But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.


Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .



Trump may not be as dumb, he might have a team around him that has decent support from the senate and the house to mediate and do the donkey work.



IMHO he will just be a figurehead. Every idea he has, dumb or serious, the team will tell him the 38 reasons why not. He may have gaffes. State stuff then backtrack, I can see that  a lot as his mouth runs ahead of what his team tell him what can and cannot be done. Then it will all become obvious when his oration rarely turns into action. 



They're all figureheads. President has very little power. Read up about what happens to presidents that suggest things like moving away from Rothschild federal reserve onto a gold backed system.

Democracy is an illusion to make people think they're in control

Want to control 300MM people? Divide them in half and have them fight each other instead of their puppet master elitist overlords.

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  #1668523 12-Nov-2016 13:37
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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

IMHO he will just be a figurehead.

 

 

Donald has all the answers, it's been very much about him in everything he's done, he's a "hands on" kind of guy.

 

I can't see him sitting back taking policy advice or being told what to say.

 

 

I disagree. Others tend to have a political background, so are far more versed in topics. He has zero experience. And aside from his persona, he will need to be guided. But when conversations happen it will go over his head. Not that he has no brains, but many political conversations have so much depth and breadth and effects, he will have to be guided, and I believe told what to do. Honestly, I can see his presidency being a team of presidents, with him the only one with the title that officiates. What will he do when he meets other leaders? Particularly other leaders of controversial nations or issues. He will be like any one of us here meeting them. Best intentions but over our head. Clearly, all leaders have a team of advisors, they cant know everything. But he knows so little, his advisors wont be advising they will be running the show.

 

Haven't heard much from him since. Not that he is expected to speak publicly every 8 minutes, but I would have expected some gracious and meaningful contact with the nation. Small stuff, just seeking engagement. But I imagine he is following his other presidents around, i.e. his team, and doing and saying or not saying what he's told.

 

Take a top CEO. They can run any company as its about leading and getting the right people working hard, plus a CEO will have a very good grounding in financials, and marketing. But no need to know bugger al about the products. But as a President he lacks everything. He wont know jack sh%t about running a country financially, and the many core issues at hand, let alone internationally, as regards trade, wars, issues of concern, immigration. He knows how to sell.

 

I fully respect his success, his drive, his deal making ability, but Trump Inc. isn't the current World superpower. 

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  #1668527 12-Nov-2016 13:43
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PhantomNVD:
Fred99:

 

PhantomNVD:

 

 

 

I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,
so let's leave that alone as we won't agree, and simply agree that many people were led by their own view of morality, and swayed by strong media pressure to revile the opponent in BOTH sides of this argument..

 

You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 

 

 

 

At least use ALL the relevant quote?

 

 

 

No I don't agree - I selectively quoted deliberately - there aren't "both sides" to that argument as one side is a total lie.  I'm not accepting moral/religious dogma as relevant, and I find your use of the words "killing children in utero" as a broad brush to describe late term pregnancy termination to be deeply offensive and insensitive to the feelings of anybody who may have experienced the reality of what is a dreadful tragedy. Trying to score political points from that truly stinks, it's inexcusable - and it was what Trump did.  He is evil.  Truly.

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  #1668537 12-Nov-2016 13:46
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I am inclined to think that Trump probably won't listen to anyone. He has shown himself to be a vainglorious egomaniac who shoots from the hip. The fact that he has won against everyone else's advice and expectation will only reinforce his sense of infallibility. He will do whatever his momentary impulse dictates and consequences be damned. That is only one of things that really scares me about a Trump Presidency. Our only hope is that he does go too far sooner rather than later and gets reigned in by his own people.

 

 




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  #1668540 12-Nov-2016 13:53
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Disclaimer: The below are not my personal political views, just my read (in a very general way) on what transpired in the US election.

 

How did he do so well? I think what Trump did was mobilise a recently disaffected demographic.

 

There are huge chunks of 'the majority' who are marginalised by the political system. People ultimately don't vote for facts or figures or really even for policy.  They vote for narratives and for self interest.  Trump gave a huge, ignored and often maligned demographic a narrative and legitimised their self interest.

 

There are tens of millions of people in the US who are struggling. People who didn't used to struggle. People 'white (male) privilege' really hasn't delivered for lately.  They are taken for granted by educated liberal politicians.  Presidents Clinton and Obama delivered nothing for these people.

 

Why wouldn't they vote for the outsider?  Why not dismiss the hate-speech as rhetoric and vote Trump?  Sure, it's a 'hail-mary', but how much worse could their lives of 'white (male) privilege' get?

 

For these people it's much simpler than *phobia or an *ism.  It's self interest and struggle.  Drowning people don't think about others.




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  #1668547 12-Nov-2016 14:06
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Why in God's name would disaffected marginalised "losers" choose a billionaire messiah who runs beauty pageants, routinely abuses "losers" - for being "losers", and flies around the USA in a gold-plated Boeing 757?

 

 

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  #1668548 12-Nov-2016 14:09
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Rikkitic:

 

I am inclined to think that Trump probably won't listen to anyone. He has shown himself to be a vainglorious egomaniac who shoots from the hip. The fact that he has won against everyone else's advice and expectation will only reinforce his sense of infallibility. He will do whatever his momentary impulse dictates and consequences be damned. That is only one of things that really scares me about a Trump Presidency. Our only hope is that he does go too far sooner rather than later and gets reigned in by his own people.

 

 

 

 




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  #1668549 12-Nov-2016 14:10
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Putin my not be around much longer.

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  #1668550 12-Nov-2016 14:13
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I wasn't going to say anything more here but.

 

Democracy means folks get to vote for whom they want, does not make them a loser. In an election there is a winner and loser that's it. Sometimes you are in the winning camp other times you are in the losing camp, that's life. If folks cant deal with that then move to a country that does not have democracy. What happened in the USA is "Government of the people, by the people, for the people" in action.




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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  #1668551 12-Nov-2016 14:13
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I have to smile every time I hear the "Drain the Swamp" line.
Reminds me of the saying "When you are up to your a$$ in alligators it's hard to remember the original idea was to drain the Swamp".
Funny if all they find after draining the swamp is a couple of rusty prams and some fish flapping around in the mud.....




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  #1668552 12-Nov-2016 14:17
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cynnicallemon:

 

Putin my not be around much longer.

 

 

 

 

With an official "approval rating" approaching 90%, at least he'd be going out on a high note.

 

What makes you think he won't be around much longer?  He doesn't seem like the "retiring type" to me.

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  #1668555 12-Nov-2016 14:24
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Fred99:

 

 

 

What makes you think he won't be around much longer?  He doesn't seem like the "retiring type" to me.

 

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731307/Vladimir-Putin-resign-Russian-president-quit

 

 

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