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#2955369 16-Aug-2022 16:13

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Oh he was just asking questions about "how voting works". How many minutes has he been a politician for again? Come on, Lindsay - is that the best defense you can come up with? Please.

Also, wait, what? Trump said this? https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/trump-fbi-search-warrant-mar-a-lago

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#2955375 16-Aug-2022 16:35

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quickymart: Also, wait, what? Trump said this? ...

Trump: "Temperature has to be brought down" after Mar-a-Lago search

(note the unusual architecture)

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#2955388 16-Aug-2022 17:46

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Excellent read that helps explain why some people fall for Trump's brainwashing bullshit.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a37696261/leaving-recovering-from-q-anon/

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO LEAVE Q-ANON, BUT GETTING OUT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE

In a Cosmo exclusive, women on both sides—the former believers and
the doctors they’re turning to—show what it takes to escape.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#2955395 16-Aug-2022 19:09

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The NY Times - Trump Executive Nears Plea Deal With Manhattan Prosecutors

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A senior executive at Donald J. Trump’s family business who was charged with participating in a years-long tax scheme is nearing a deal with Manhattan prosecutors but will not cooperate with a broader investigation into Mr. Trump ...

If it becomes final, a plea deal for the executive, Allen H. Weisselberg, would bring prosecutors no closer to indicting the former president but would nonetheless brand one of his most trusted lieutenants a felon. ...

The judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday, a possible indication that a deal has been reached and a plea could be entered then.

While Mr. Weisselberg, 75, is facing financial penalties as well as up to 15 years in prison if convicted by a jury, a plea deal would avoid a high-profile trial and spare him a lengthy sentence. ...

Weisselberg was probably the Trump family's most loyal and trusted employee for almost 50 years.

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#2955402 16-Aug-2022 19:33

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Salon: Trump claims Truth Social post is official legal request for FBI to “return” seized Mar-a-Lago docs

... Trump wrote "Oh great! It has just been learned that the FBI, in its now famous raid of Mar-a-Lago, took boxes of privileged 'attorney-client' material, and also 'executive' privileged material, which they knowingly should not have taken, By copy of this TRUTH, I respectfully request that these documents be immediately returned to the location from which they were taken."

The Justice Department does not just hand documents back. The DOJ has already set up a "filter team" to review the seized materials before they are viewed by investigators to determine whether any of them are protected by attorney-client privilege, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Trump's claim of executive privilege is far more legally dubious, legal experts said.

"Anything that falls under 'executive privilege' doesn't belong to him. It's still government property and belongs in the archives," tweeted Teri Kanefield, a former appellate defense attorney. "So he admits to being in possession of stolen material. Someone needs to tell him he has the right to remain silent."
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#2955465 17-Aug-2022 07:24

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This is pretty sad, how Trump (in part - other part conspiracy theories) ruined a marriage, but I imagine this most definitely isn't an isolated case:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300657981/its-torn-our-social-fabric-how-to-come-back-from-covid19-conspiracy-theories

I could personally never, ever be with a woman who was an antivaxxer, or somehow thought Trump was a "good" president.

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#2955474 17-Aug-2022 08:46

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New York Times: Trump Executive Nears Plea Deal With Manhattan Prosecutors

A senior executive at Donald J. Trump’s family business who was charged with participating in a years long tax scheme is nearing a deal with Manhattan prosecutors but will not cooperate with a broader investigation into Mr. Trump, according to three people with knowledge of the matter.

If it becomes final, a plea deal for the executive, Allen H. Weisselberg, would bring prosecutors no closer to indicting the former president but would nonetheless brand one of his most trusted lieutenants a felon
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While Mr. Weisselberg, 75, is facing financial penalties as well as up to 15 years in prison if convicted by a jury, a plea deal would avoid a high-profile trial and spare him a lengthy sentence.

Two people with knowledge of the matter said that Mr. Weisselberg was expected to receive a five-month jail term. With time credited for good behavior, he is likely to serve about 100 days.
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Prison blues song ‘Cornbread, meat and black molasses’

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#2955480 17-Aug-2022 09:15

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This is pretty worrying too, if he (somehow) gets in again: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300663463/the-drastic-plans-donald-trump-is-already-promising-for-a-second-term-as-president

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#2955482 17-Aug-2022 09:43

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quickymart:

This is pretty worrying too, if he (somehow) gets in again: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300663463/the-drastic-plans-donald-trump-is-already-promising-for-a-second-term-as-president

I can see civil war and a separation of Trump's USA and California/most of the West Coast happening.

A large border going up on the West of the country to keep out the crazies, like a zombie apocalypse movie would be not too absurd or out of the realms of possibility, I feel.

It's almost Orwellian.

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Handsome Dan does not currently have a side hustle as the mascot for Yale

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#2955612 17-Aug-2022 14:56

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The Washington Post - Liz Cheney projected to lose to Trump-backed Hageman in Wyoming

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JACKSON, Wyo. - Rep. Liz Cheney - the once-high-ranking Republican who defied her party to wage a lonely crusade against former president Donald Trump - lost her primary Tuesday after vowing that whatever the outcome, the race was “the beginning of the battle” for the future of American democracy.

Harriet Hageman, a lawyer with Trump’s endorsement, ousted Cheney, clinching the GOP nomination for deep-red Wyoming’s only House seat. ...

Cheney is the fourth House Republican to lose a primary after voting to impeach Trump last year, on charges that he incited a riot.

The others are Reps. Tom Rice of South Carolina, Peter Meijer of Michigan and Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington. ...

and ...

The NY Times - Liz Cheney, Trump’s Chief Antagonist, Loses in a Landslide

Sad, but not a surprise result.

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#2955620 17-Aug-2022 15:22

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ALASKAN ELECTION REVEALS MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE’S STATUS AS MOST IGNORANT PERSON IN CONGRESS IS UNDER THREAT.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s status as Congress’s most ignorant member is at stake in Alaska’s special election, Greene’s aides have acknowledged.

Greene, who has fended off challenges to her crown of dimness from such formidable contenders as Lauren Boebert and Rand Paul, will face her stiffest test to date when Alaskans go to the polls.

An aide to Greene, Harland Dorrinson, said that the congresswoman will be watching the returns from Alaska “nervously.”

“Ignorance is Margie’s brand,” he said. “Obviously, she’s concerned about anything that could jeopardize that.”

In a sign that she does not intend to relinquish her title without a fight, Greene took to the floor of the House of Representatives and accused President Biden of possessing nuclear codes.

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#2955621 17-Aug-2022 15:32

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The Washington Post - Liz Cheney projected to lose to Trump-backed Hageman in Wyoming

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JACKSON, Wyo. - Rep. Liz Cheney - the once-high-ranking Republican who defied her party to wage a lonely crusade against former president Donald Trump - lost her primary Tuesday after vowing that whatever the outcome, the race was “the beginning of the battle” for the future of American democracy.

Harriet Hageman, a lawyer with Trump’s endorsement, ousted Cheney, clinching the GOP nomination for deep-red Wyoming’s only House seat. ...

Cheney is the fourth House Republican to lose a primary after voting to impeach Trump last year, on charges that he incited a riot.

The others are Reps. Tom Rice of South Carolina, Peter Meijer of Michigan and Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington. ...

Sad, but not a surprise result.

That's a pity 😞 her politics are quite different to mine, but I have to commend her for standing up for the right thing (the Constitution, not the wishes of one man). I'm sure she knew this might happen though.

All these Trumpers must be quite smugly pleased with themselves right now, but the day will come when the orange buffoon is no longer around I get the feeling they won't know what to do with themselves.

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quickymart:

That's a pity 😞 her politics are quite different to mine, but I have to commend her for standing up for the right thing (the Constitution, not the wishes of one man). I'm sure she knew this might happen though.

All these Trumpers must be quite smugly pleased with themselves right now, but the day will come when the orange buffoon is no longer around I get the feeling they won't know what to do with themselves.

Trump is not the last of his kind. Ron De Santis (R. Gov FL) would be a candidate to take up Trump's mantle, as well as Greg Abbott (R. Gov TX) - both of whom are as conservative as they come, as self-serving as they come, and as malicious as they come.

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https://uproxx.com/viral/trump-struggling-find-lawyers-fbi-investigation/

I bet he is! Good luck to any lawyer who decides to represent him - also, don't expect to get paid for any work you do for him. Ever.

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quickymart:
This is pretty worrying too, if he (somehow) gets in again: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300663463/the-drastic-plans-donald-trump-is-already-promising-for-a-second-term-as-president

He's using the chapter on subverting democracy from the book "How Democracies Die". First step is to remove the checks and balances, of which the US had two. One is already gone, the Electoral College. Alongside its better-known role of ensuring that states with large populations don't drown out states with small ones, it also ensured that only sound candidates got in because they chose them. After the disaster of the 1968 Democratic Convention this was changed to allow candidates to be selected by popular vote in the primaries. The Democrats fixed this in the 1980s which is why Hillary got in no matter what the popular vote actually said. The Republicans didn't, which is why Trump got in no matter what the party actually wanted.

The second check is the judiciary. Trump has already packed the Supreme Court with conservatives, but for a full autocracy he needs his loyalists in there, not just general conservatives. To do this, he needs to follow the playbook from pretty much every south American country that turned itself into a dictatorship or banana republic. A lot of those adopted the US Constitution, in some cases verbatim, as their own national constitutions, when they gained independence. What autocratic leaders did to get around the courts is either to impeach sitting judges and replace them with loyalists, or stack the court with loyalists and push out the actual judges.

Once the checks and balances are gone, you perform a law-and-order crackdown on anyone you don't like, control the media, and follow the usual playbook for an autocracy.

I'm not aware of anything in the US that can stop this. No-one's ever tried it before, but that's not because it's not possible, just because it's not a done thing. Now that any demagogue outsider who doesn't care about what's proper and what isn't can get in, there's nothing there to stop them continuing on.

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