Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1507735 7-Mar-2016 20:41

Id like The Don's response to this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/77638117/north-korea-again-threatens-nuke-strikes-on-us-south-korea

Fire one and I'll fire 12???

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#1507762 7-Mar-2016 21:30

tdgeek:

Id like The Don's response to this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/77638117/north-korea-again-threatens-nuke-strikes-on-us-south-korea

Fire one and I'll fire 12???

I doubt it.

More like "South Koreans? THey bring nothing but disease, take away the profit of American car companies, copy Apple, let's just pull out from SOuth Korea and let the north bomb the hell out of them. I don't care."

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#1507814 7-Mar-2016 23:00

Rikkitic:

Wow. You're talking about the still-most-powerful nation on earth being commanded by a religious extremist who talks to god, takes the bible literally, and probably believes in Manifest Destiny. What could possibly go wrong?

Usually when I suggest it is time for religion to be classified as a mental illness and it's adherents barred from holding public office I get shouted down. But when you put it like that....

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#1507859 8-Mar-2016 08:05

Geektastic:
Rikkitic:

Wow. You're talking about the still-most-powerful nation on earth being commanded by a religious extremist who talks to god, takes the bible literally, and probably believes in Manifest Destiny. What could possibly go wrong?

Usually when I suggest it is time for religion to be classified as a mental illness and it's adherents barred from holding public office I get shouted down. But when you put it like that....

What's the difference between reading a book that tells one to help others and one then helps others, vs
Reading a book about stopping climate change and then going to do those things
Reading a book about losing weight and then doing it
Reading a book about making money and then doing it
Etc?

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#1507869 8-Mar-2016 08:28

networkn: Right, but without going too far into defending him, not ALL those failures were a result of HIS mismanagement. Lots of stuff has his name on it, but he isn't directly responsible for the day to day running of those operations.

I am not saying he isn't a pillock, I am just saying that a business failure sometimes has nothing much to do with who's name is on the door.

True - see the Dick Smith threads...

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#1507881 8-Mar-2016 08:49

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Geektastic:

Rikkitic: Wow. You're talking about the still-most-powerful nation on earth being commanded by a religious extremist who talks to god, takes the bible literally, and probably believes in Manifest Destiny. What could possibly go wrong?

Usually when I suggest it is time for religion to be classified as a mental illness and it's adherents barred from holding public office I get shouted down. But when you put it like that....

What's the difference between reading a book that tells one to help others and one then helps others, vs
Reading a book about stopping climate change and then going to do those things
Reading a book about losing weight and then doing it
Reading a book about making money and then doing it
Etc?

I originally had quite a long response typed here, but deleted it because I don't want this thread to become a debate on religion. Suffice to say that I know many people who are weekly church-goers and do exactly as you say - live their lives helping others - and I know many non-religious people who do the same.

My issue is with a candidate who makes religion a part of their platform for the White House. The last thing America needs is a (extreme case) "Westboro Baptist" Christian whose religious views inform their policy decisions, which could make America a pretty awful place to be gay, black, Jewish, a woman, wear clothes made of blended fabrics, eat bacon...

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#1507906 8-Mar-2016 09:02

andrew027:

My issue is with a candidate who makes religion a part of their platform for the White House. The last thing America needs is a (extreme case) "Westboro Baptist" Christian whose religious views inform their policy decisions, which could make America a pretty awful place to be gay, black, Jewish, a woman, wear clothes made of blended fabrics, eat bacon...

I think this is a bit naive... a religion (in the sense that it encapsulates and therefore indicates a particular moral code) will always inform policy decisions. And therefore it is important (and common) for a candidate to make his religious affiliation part of his platform. It perhaps also indicates the candidate's position on the gullible-skeptical axis.

So I think that it's important that any "Westboro Baptist" candidate makes his religion clear, so that voters can make an informed decision to avoid him like the plague.

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#1507913 8-Mar-2016 09:21

frankv:

andrew027:

My issue is with a candidate who makes religion a part of their platform for the White House. The last thing America needs is a (extreme case) "Westboro Baptist" Christian whose religious views inform their policy decisions, which could make America a pretty awful place to be gay, black, Jewish, a woman, wear clothes made of blended fabrics, eat bacon...

I think this is a bit naive... a religion (in the sense that it encapsulates and therefore indicates a particular moral code) will always inform policy decisions. And therefore it is important (and common) for a candidate to make his religious affiliation part of his platform. It perhaps also indicates the candidate's position on the gullible-skeptical axis.

So I think that it's important that any "Westboro Baptist" candidate makes his religion clear, so that voters can make an informed decision to avoid him like the plague.

I agree. I'd be MUCH more concerned if a candidate kept that information hidden.

Religion has been the cause of much harm in the world, but in my experience it has been the reason for considerably more good. I am not personally religious, though I was raised with a faith.

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#1507944 8-Mar-2016 10:04

networkn: I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all. <snip>

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#1508065 8-Mar-2016 13:00

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networkn: I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all. <snip>

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Doesn't sound like it matters at all to the Americans. All they want to hear is get rid of [certain people] and I want a gun.

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#1508072 8-Mar-2016 13:06

joker97:

Doesn't sound like it matters at all to SOME Americans. All they want to hear is get rid of [certain people] and I want a gun.

There ya go! Fixed it for you!

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#1508093 8-Mar-2016 13:33

It is interesting how pro or anti religion enters many diverse threads here with religious zeal

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1508496 8-Mar-2016 21:15

networkn:
frankv:

andrew027:

My issue is with a candidate who makes religion a part of their platform for the White House. The last thing America needs is a (extreme case) "Westboro Baptist" Christian whose religious views inform their policy decisions, which could make America a pretty awful place to be gay, black, Jewish, a woman, wear clothes made of blended fabrics, eat bacon...

I think this is a bit naive... a religion (in the sense that it encapsulates and therefore indicates a particular moral code) will always inform policy decisions. And therefore it is important (and common) for a candidate to make his religious affiliation part of his platform. It perhaps also indicates the candidate's position on the gullible-skeptical axis.

So I think that it's important that any "Westboro Baptist" candidate makes his religion clear, so that voters can make an informed decision to avoid him like the plague.

I agree. I'd be MUCH more concerned if a candidate kept that information hidden.

Religion has been the cause of much harm in the world, but in my experience it has been the reason for considerably more good. I am not personally religious, though I was raised with a faith.

Trusting adults who believe fairy stories does not seem sensible.

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#1508497 8-Mar-2016 21:22

Geektastic:
networkn:
frankv:

andrew027:

My issue is with a candidate who makes religion a part of their platform for the White House. The last thing America needs is a (extreme case) "Westboro Baptist" Christian whose religious views inform their policy decisions, which could make America a pretty awful place to be gay, black, Jewish, a woman, wear clothes made of blended fabrics, eat bacon...

I think this is a bit naive... a religion (in the sense that it encapsulates and therefore indicates a particular moral code) will always inform policy decisions. And therefore it is important (and common) for a candidate to make his religious affiliation part of his platform. It perhaps also indicates the candidate's position on the gullible-skeptical axis.

So I think that it's important that any "Westboro Baptist" candidate makes his religion clear, so that voters can make an informed decision to avoid him like the plague.

I agree. I'd be MUCH more concerned if a candidate kept that information hidden.

Religion has been the cause of much harm in the world, but in my experience it has been the reason for considerably more good. I am not personally religious, though I was raised with a faith.

Trusting adults who believe fairy stories does not seem sensible.

Like trusting adults that worship coins and plastic, cheat, steal and lie and take delight in put downs.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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