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#2540031 13-Aug-2020 11:40

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Long before it was raised by National, the way the messaging changed to mask-wearing, the warnings of a second wave and the entire focus toward preparing for a second wave seemed "off" to me after 100 days of no community transmission. Out and about with clients in that time, it was mentioned or discussed by them all more or less asking the same questions or drawing the conclusions. We also started getting significant increases in calls to ensure remote access was working etc.. I don't think you have to be a nutter to at least *wonder* if they knew of something to indicate the additional warnings that went out all of a sudden. If it's all a coincidence then at least the Government is on record of saying so.

If you look for ghosts you will see them everywhere,

Imagine if there was no warnings about mask wearing (which is based on updated information from WHO as I understand it), no warning of a second wave, no suggestions to stay prepared.

We would be sitting here saying "they should have warned us, they should have been ready".

Which track would you prefer our officials to take?

In hindsight, I think being told to use the downtime to get prepared was a smart move. Actually quite obvious when you take a look how may other countries experienced second waves.

I don't think NZ has a great track record of successful deep state conspiracies - and if this is one I'm sure someone will start blabbing by the weekend.

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#2540039 13-Aug-2020 11:48

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What does the anniversary have to do with anything? It's nothing other than a number. Face mask-wearing barely mentioned or second wave, barely mentioned, all of a sudden front-page news every single day. You can ask questions and it not be about insinuating a conspiracy.

I entirely disagree that the opposition leader shouldn't be fully briefed.

3 days of assessment is entirely reasonable, no-one I've seen is suggesting otherwise.

JA has already indicated she doesn't want to postpone the election.

Do you have a link for what I bolded above?

The anniversary is not important, could not agree more, but all the cheering in the media and social media about this great milestone (which it is) is not the right attitide. The correct attitude is be careful , dont get complacent, long haul etc, old old words, but a lot of the public sees Covid-19 as yesterdays news its all BAU now.

Yes 3 days assessment is reasonable, hence no decisions made yet

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#2540041 13-Aug-2020 11:50

I am not sure why you are pitching it like that. I think they should have saying it like this all along, but barely crickets for 3 months, a week of heavy-duty warnings, then an outbreak.

Other than lockdown (which in my view was the only logical choice) our response hasn't been great in my view. Covid tracing app is a joke, quarantine management has been poor (in general, even excluding the people who sneak out), we had the non-testing debacle (a complete disgrace in my opinion).

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#2540097 13-Aug-2020 11:58

Ok, so there has been no daily media praise about the so called anniversary and no one is acting complacent due to 80 days 90 days, 100 days that we read of every day. ok. Ive seen and read otherwise.

You would have preferred 2 weeks level 4, reduced 3 and 2 and lets get that bubble to Australia pronto, ok thats fine, thats what the alternative was. You dont get 102 days from that, you get Victoria. But yes, off course the response was bad, Labour ran it, end of story

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#2540101 13-Aug-2020 12:03

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Ok, so there has been no daily media praise about the so called anniversary and no one is acting complacent due to 80 days 90 days, 100 days that we read of every day. ok. Ive seen and read otherwise.

You would have preferred 2 weeks level 4, reduced 3 and 2 and lets get that bubble to Australia pronto, ok thats fine, thats what the alternative was. You dont get 102 days from that, you get Victoria. But yes, off course the response was bad, Labour ran it, end of story

I am SO SICK and TIRED of you putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say any of those things. Learn to *read*.

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#2540102 13-Aug-2020 12:03

I disagree entirely - there have been plenty of chidings to be prepared, use the tracing app, look at masks (based on updated WHO guidance), etc. Look around us - massive outbreak in VIC, naturally they're going to ramp up the warnings.

This consipracy the government knew more than it's letting on is dumb IMO - what has the Government, in relation to Covid-19, done to indicate they would withhold information? The answer is nothing, they've been the exact opposite.

Brownlee's conspiracy ramblings do him and the National Party a huge disservice, and they prove that National are absolutely unfit to be anywhere near government any time soon.

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#2540108 13-Aug-2020 12:06

Also I'm not sure what Judith Collins wants exactly. She was briefed, before the public, on the new cases and resulting lockdown. The Government does not actually need permission from the Leader of the Opposition to act, and in any case Judith has stated she would have taken the same action.

Further, she's shown she actually can't be trusted and won't be constructive, so what actually is the point in having her involved? Her tirades do not count as holding the government to account (which is ostensibly the point of the Opposition).

Absolutely agree she should be briefed prior to the public, and this is what has happened - so what is she complaining about exactly?

Fantastic interview of Collins by Kim Hill on RNZ this morning might I add, after that disgusting press conference Collins and Brownlee held yesterday.

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#2540114 13-Aug-2020 12:18

networkn:

tdgeek:

Ok, so there has been no daily media praise about the so called anniversary and no one is acting complacent due to 80 days 90 days, 100 days that we read of every day. ok. Ive seen and read otherwise.

You would have preferred 2 weeks level 4, reduced 3 and 2 and lets get that bubble to Australia pronto, ok thats fine, thats what the alternative was. You dont get 102 days from that, you get Victoria. But yes, off course the response was bad, Labour ran it, end of story

I am SO SICK and TIRED of you putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say any of those things. Learn to *read*.

I do read, the ongoing and continual bias and bitching about the curent Govt

I merely gave YOU THE alternative

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#2540119 13-Aug-2020 12:28

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I do read, the ongoing and continual bias and bitching about the curent Govt

I merely gave YOU THE alternative

You complaining about bias? Don't make me laugh! For every post of me "bitching", you'll find one of you "cheerleading". Don't pretend like you are the voice of reason in these discussions.

There are 100+ different possible outcomes between what was done and the alternative you are proposing, depending on how things were handled.

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#2540148 13-Aug-2020 12:40

Everyone favours one side or the other, but if you want to lower me to your level, up to you.

The alternatives were not my proposal they were Nationals. Economy over health. Daily. Maybe you missed them. The ability to beat this virus is patently clear, there is only one solution, but ignore that I'm biased so it cannot be a fact

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#2540224 13-Aug-2020 13:46

antonknee:

Also I'm not sure what Judith Collins wants exactly. She was briefed, before the public, on the new cases and resulting lockdown. The Government does not actually need permission from the Leader of the Opposition to act, and in any case Judith has stated she would have taken the same action.

Further, she's shown she actually can't be trusted and won't be constructive, so what actually is the point in having her involved? Her tirades do not count as holding the government to account (which is ostensibly the point of the Opposition).

Absolutely agree she should be briefed prior to the public, and this is what has happened - so what is she complaining about exactly?

Fantastic interview of Collins by Kim Hill on RNZ this morning might I add, after that disgusting press conference Collins and Brownlee held yesterday.

Yes, I listened to that interview and it was an absolute shocker from Collins. Flipping from one stance to another when pushed to elaborate, refusing to even acknowledge others when asked if she supported Brownlee's statements. She is almost incoherent at the end after being pushed on whether or not Ardern should be holding briefings to inform the public of what is happening. I don't see how anyone could listen to her interviews and think she should hold any responsibilities at all.

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#2540231 13-Aug-2020 13:55

Varkk:

antonknee:

Also I'm not sure what Judith Collins wants exactly. She was briefed, before the public, on the new cases and resulting lockdown. The Government does not actually need permission from the Leader of the Opposition to act, and in any case Judith has stated she would have taken the same action.

Further, she's shown she actually can't be trusted and won't be constructive, so what actually is the point in having her involved? Her tirades do not count as holding the government to account (which is ostensibly the point of the Opposition).

Absolutely agree she should be briefed prior to the public, and this is what has happened - so what is she complaining about exactly?

Fantastic interview of Collins by Kim Hill on RNZ this morning might I add, after that disgusting press conference Collins and Brownlee held yesterday.

Yes, I listened to that interview and it was an absolute shocker from Collins. Flipping from one stance to another when pushed to elaborate, refusing to even acknowledge others when asked if she supported Brownlee's statements. She is almost incoherent at the end after being pushed on whether or not Ardern should be holding briefings to inform the public of what is happening. I don't see how anyone could listen to her interviews and think she should hold any responsibilities at all.

Him Hill certainly squeezed JC hard for answers when she tried to deviate and deflect. What a seasoned pro.

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#2540253 13-Aug-2020 14:46

networkn:

JA has already indicated she doesn't want to postpone the election.

The election can't come fast enough for labour. With polling like that why would you delay?

The current wave of infections also brings the daily briefing back into play.

From National's perspective the longer until the election the more time they have to rebuild (assuming that's possible during a pandemic).

Hypothetically: If we are seeing a very serious outbreak and things go pear shaped is that good or bad for the incumbent government?

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#2540255 13-Aug-2020 14:48

The talk about masks and to use the app was talk about for the las two months we even had Chris hipkins and dr Bloomfield were asking for more people to get test for a long time it got more frequent we all hell broke loose in Melbourne

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#2540260 13-Aug-2020 14:51

I would say bad, if things are going bad for everyone they will look for someone to take the blame. That will naturally be whoever is in charge. If they manage it and keep it under control they will look good. I think they will reluctantly delay the election if things get bad but at the moment they are probably confident they can get it under control before people will need to vote.

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