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#2891401 24-Mar-2022 14:15

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/03/the-psychology-behind-vladimir-putin-s-destructive-leadership-and-how-best-to-tackle-it-according-to-science.html

Interesting read

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#2891475 24-Mar-2022 16:47

tdgeek:

Christ, turn on CNN for a bit, first I hear is that attacks on civilians and civilian targets is denied.Lies lies and more lies

Amanpour interview? Audacious to say the least.

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#2891493 24-Mar-2022 17:42

Is this the video?

Amanpour pushes back on Kremlin spokesperson

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#2891498 24-Mar-2022 17:52

kingdragonfly: Is this the video?

Amanpour pushes back on Kremlin spokesperson

Yep

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#2891501 24-Mar-2022 17:59

rugrat:
When Biden said war crimes got the impression slip of tongue and not official, as you said at least it is an official position now, but it doesn’t point at the Russian leadership, just members of the military.

The doctrine of command responsibility a.k.a. the Yamashita standard means Putin will almost certainly be held responsible. The comments in the story on this indicated that that's what they're looking at.

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#2891506 24-Mar-2022 18:04

neb:
rugrat:

When Biden said war crimes got the impression slip of tongue and not official, as you said at least it is an official position now, but it doesn’t point at the Russian leadership, just members of the military.

The doctrine of command responsibility a.k.a. the Yamashita standard means Putin will almost certainly be held responsible. The comments in the story on this indicated that that's what they're looking at.

Military doctrine and war crimes are mutually exclusive.

It's up to the ICC to decide if war crimes were committed.

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#2891518 24-Mar-2022 18:19

The Washington Post - Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’

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Lack of communication leaves the world’s two largest nuclear powers in the dark about explanations for military movements from senior officials.

Repeated attempts by the United States’ top defense and military leaders to speak with their Russian counterparts have been rejected by Moscow for the last month ...

It remains unclear why Russia’s top generals have refused to hold calls with their U.S. counterparts.

“I suspect that the problem lies with the Russian insistence that this is a ‘special military operation’ and unwillingness to admit the real nature of the war,” said Angela Stent, a Russia scholar at Georgetown University. ...

The generals may also be waiting on Putin’s approval to make the calls, given the high stakes of the conflict, and he may not be signing off.

Another theory is that Putin may now view the United States as a determined adversary bent on his downfall and not worth engaging.

Russian officials bristled at Biden calling Putin a “war criminal,” saying it could lead to a complete break in relations.

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#2891523 24-Mar-2022 18:31

K8Toledo:
The doctrine of command responsibility a.k.a. the Yamashita standard means Putin will almost certainly be held responsible. The comments in the story on this indicated that that's what they're looking at.

Military doctrine and war crimes are mutually exclusive.

The Yamashita standard isn't a military doctrine, it's a legal doctrine of accountability for war crimes. To quote the Guardian, "experts say, the public statements by Putin and his senior officials and the Russian president’s tight control over the campaign would help future prosecutors". I would be very surprised if he wasn't held responsible under the doctrine of command responsibility.

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#2891528 24-Mar-2022 18:43

Sideface:

The Washington Post - Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’

today

Lack of communication leaves the world’s two largest nuclear powers in the dark about explanations for military movements from senior officials.

Repeated attempts by the United States’ top defense and military leaders to speak with their Russian counterparts have been rejected by Moscow for the last month ...

It remains unclear why Russia’s top generals have refused to hold calls with their U.S. counterparts.

“I suspect that the problem lies with the Russian insistence that this is a ‘special military operation’ and unwillingness to admit the real nature of the war,” said Angela Stent, a Russia scholar at Georgetown University. ...

The generals may also be waiting on Putin’s approval to make the calls, given the high stakes of the conflict, and he may not be signing off.

Another theory is that Putin may now view the United States as a determined adversary bent on his downfall and not worth engaging.

Russian officials bristled at Biden calling Putin a “war criminal,” saying it could lead to a complete break in relations.

Well since the two countries aren't in direct conflict US & Russian defense officials won't have a lot to talk about .

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#2891538 24-Mar-2022 19:16

K8Toledo:
Well since the two countries aren't in direct conflict US & Russian defense officials won't have a lot to talk about .

I'd also be surprised if Putin was OK with backdoor attempts to get at his military commanders. Sort of like Hitler being OK with Auchinleck phoning up Rommel and saying "you know, this hopeless war you're in the process of losing, maybe we should talk about an exit strategy...".

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#2891586 24-Mar-2022 19:20

neb: The Yamashita standard isn't a military doctrine, it's a legal doctrine of accountability for war crimes. To quote the Guardian, "experts say, the public statements by Putin and his senior officials and the Russian president’s tight control over the campaign would help future prosecutors". I would be very surprised if he wasn't held responsible under the doctrine of command responsibility.

Doctrine means theories or principles held by a particular armed forces.

Military Doctrine lays the foundation on which militaries are built and dictates how war will be waged at an Operational and Tactical level.

It's not part of any legal system.

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#2891590 24-Mar-2022 19:31

K8Toledo:
Doctrine means theories or principles held by a particular armed forces.

Military Doctrine lays the foundation on which militaries are built and dictates how war will be waged at an Operational and Tactical level.

It's not part of any legal system.

We're just talking past each other here, go and google "doctrine of command responsibility" and then we can continue the discussion.

Or, to make it easy for you, quoting the Oxford Bibliographies in International Law:

The doctrine of command or superior responsibility stipulates that a superior—a military or civilian leader—can be held criminally responsible when his subordinates commit international crimes. The doctrine has become part of customary international law and has been incorporated into the statutes of the international criminal tribunals and into the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

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#2891650 24-Mar-2022 20:10

The Kyiv car mechanics converting captured Russian weapons for Ukraine’s troops

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At an auto repair shop in Kyiv, mechanics used to working on car engines are instead applying their skills to heavy weaponry captured from Russian armoured vehicles.

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#2891655 24-Mar-2022 20:17

'Ill-equipped' Russian troops using field bandages from 1978

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A Russian advance to cut Ukrainians off in the city of Mykolaiv in the south of Ukraine was pushed back, Ukraine claims, forcing the invading army to leave behind old equipment.

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#2891656 24-Mar-2022 20:19

The Sanction-Fueled Destruction of the Russian Aviation Industry

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